ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit

[Canard]

Can we drop the personal attacks please? I’ve had enough.

[KevinT]

That isn't what I said.

What I said was that Regional Staff and/or Regional Council *KNEW* that the December deadline/estimate had been missed before the election and yet chose to hide that information.

Sorry Dan, that graphic was a comment on the region's approach. I was trying to find a somewhat appropriate post to use it on, what I should have done was just posted it standalone.

For a system that was originally supposed to open in fall 2017, it's weird that the region was only inking a deal to get their equipment installed in June of 2018, then has the nerve to hold Bombardier's feet to the fire for missing an ambitious estimate.

[Spokes]

Jeffster, you've made your point, you don't like the delay, and you really don't like that Canard likes the delay. Ignore him. Back to your corners. Moving on.

[Spokes]

I know of a Mike Wilner that works the Blue Jays radio broadcast.  Perhaps this is a side gig of his....

But in all seriousness, I have no idea who this Mike Willner is...

Mike Farwell not Mike Wilner

Oh my god.  Im an idiot.

Hey did you guys know I'm a Blue Jays fan?? hah

[robdrimmie]

Bombardier has actually helped them out, and everyone is slamming them for it.  It’s absolutely maddening.

In an explanation I gave to a friend, I said that Bombardier is responsible in the same way we've all been responsible for that person in a group project who doesn't pull their own weight. Bombardier isn't the cause of the problem, but they've taken on resolving it.

I blame the Region's terrible communication. Bombardier clearly agreed (or is contractually be obligated) to be the scapegoat - I suspect Farwell's interview this morning won't shed any meaningful light on this, unfortunately - but I wish the Region wouldn't so gleefully pile all the blame on them when Metrolinx is right there as a clearly problematic entity.

I'm hopeful that the new council will have shed enough of the old council's baggage that they'll eventually be able to more clearly articulate the series of events that led to delays. I don't actually expect it, but it would be nice, and it would demonstrate a new commitment to actual communication.

[Spokes]

There's got to be a reason why the Region won't go after Metrolinx. Still needing them for something? Maintaining relationships?

[jason897]

as per Tom Galloway on 570 news, the final LRV (501 I guess) is now expected to ship late January

EDIT: the COO now says he has committed to delivering all the LRVs by the end of December

[jason897]

Recording in case people missed it! http://jason.randomfiles.info/Nov_7_Bomb...erview.m4a

[Canard]

There's got to be a reason why the Region won't go after Metrolinx. Still needing them for something?  Maintaining relationships?

Because Metrolinx is the Province.... where the money comes from. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and that’s all there is to it. It’s why Bombardier can’t defend themselves - the people calling them out are the ones who pay their bills.

[Spokes]

as per Tom Galloway on 570 news, the final LRV (501 I guess) is now expected to ship late January

EDIT: the COO now says he has committed to delivering all the LRVs by the end of December

But none of them with the specialty electronics right?

[Spokes]

There's got to be a reason why the Region won't go after Metrolinx. Still needing them for something?  Maintaining relationships?

Because Metrolinx is the Province.... where the money comes from. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and that’s all there is to it. It’s why Bombardier can’t defend themselves - the people calling them out are the ones who pay their bills.

Ohhhh right.  I keep forgetting that.  Of course.  It's why you don't throw your boss under the table.

[jason897]

as per Tom Galloway on 570 news, the final LRV (501 I guess) is now expected to ship late January

EDIT: the COO now says he has committed to delivering all the LRVs by the end of December

But none of them with the specialty electronics right?

All with the specialty electronics

[jason897]

COO: "I'm committing that all 14 cars will have the new equipment installed on them and in the Region by the end of the year"

[KevinT]

There's got to be a reason why the Region won't go after Metrolinx. Still needing them for something?  Maintaining relationships?

Phase 2 funding.

[danbrotherston]

COO: "I'm committing that all 14 cars will have the new equipment installed on them and in the Region by the end of the year"

Well it's kinda nice to see Bombardier throw the region under the bus, if anyone would believe them anyway.

If we have all vehicles by end of year, why do we have to wait a minimum of 4 more months?  *sigh*.