ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit

[panamaniac]

Reddit post with footage of the crash. Idiot driver tried to make an illegal u-turn right in front of the train.

Turning straight into the path of a moving train that he/she had just passed.  The mind boggles!

[ac3r]

Lmao. Top tier transit planning in action.

[ijmorlan]

Lmao. Top tier transit planning in action.

Top tier driving qualification in action.

This has nothing to do with transit planning. A driver that stupid is going to get themselves killed someday, no matter how the LRT line is designed. Of course, if we had a subway, the driver wouldn’t have collided with the LRT specifically, but they could reasonably be expected to hit something else at some point.

[creative]

Lmao. Top tier transit planning in action.

[bravado]

Lmao. Top tier transit planning in action.

Top tier driving qualification in action.

This has nothing to do with transit planning. A driver that stupid is going to get themselves killed someday, no matter how the LRT line is designed. Of course, if we had a subway, the driver wouldn’t have collided with the LRT specifically, but they could reasonably be expected to hit something else at some point.

You say this like “keeping transit and cars physically separated” is some sort of impossible magic. It’s what we should have done when designing the system, but we were too cheap and afraid to do it.

We know that a fixed amount of drivers are lunatics. We should design a system that acknowledges they exist.

[danbrotherston]

Top tier driving qualification in action.

This has nothing to do with transit planning. A driver that stupid is going to get themselves killed someday, no matter how the LRT line is designed. Of course, if we had a subway, the driver wouldn’t have collided with the LRT specifically, but they could reasonably be expected to hit something else at some point.

You say this like “keeping transit and cars physically separated” is some sort of impossible magic. It’s what we should have done when designing the system, but we were too cheap and afraid to do it.

We know that a fixed amount of drivers are lunatics. We should design a system that acknowledges they

The problem with your statement is that the only way that happens is by keeping trains away from everything, including people...which is bad...and pointless, a driver like this hitting an LRT is bad, and bad optics, but drivers like this injure people every day, and it doesn't even make the paper.

The real solution might be to keep cars away from everything, but our society clearly isn't ready for that...even the Dutch don't do that...although the Dutch seem to have figured out how to limit the harm bad drivers do.

Or TL;DR....lets not start this again, cars are the problem, not trains.

[ac3r]

The problem with your statement is that the only way that happens is by keeping trains away from everything, including people...which is bad...and pointless, a driver like this hitting an LRT is bad, and bad optics, but drivers like this injure people every day, and it doesn't even make the paper.

The real solution might be to keep cars away from everything, but our society clearly isn't ready for that...even the Dutch don't do that...although the Dutch seem to have figured out how to limit the harm bad drivers do.

Or TL;DR....lets not start this again, cars are the problem, not trains.

Guys...this is just rage baiting...right? Has danbroterston just been trolling all these years? I refuse to believe a real person has been writing this stuff hahah. Every forum needs a good troll so I've gotta give him a good 5.5 out of 10 if it has in fact all been a long satirical troll. I'll even bump it up a point or two for the sheer dedication it takes to achieve this. "It's not the train's fault it was built on the roads meant for automobiles, it's the automobiles fault!" haha pretty good stuff, like 4chan's /n/-tier transpo trolling lmao.

[bravado]

I don't think it's ragebait... Maybe King St isn't meant for 2-way auto traffic anymore? Maybe the city has grown up and changed over time? Why do we smash transit and cars together in limited public space and then act shocked when irrational drivers act like irrational drivers and hit everything in sight?

Why don't our trained engineers have the courage to make decisions like that? Real cities make tough choices all the time instead of kicking the can and compromising on safety in order to keep vocal cranks at bay. Stupid shit like this doesn't happen in real cities and it's not because they have "better drivers", it's because they don't design stupid shit.

I can only hope you've been drinking or something because this randomly spiteful behaviour is the real troll on these forums.

[ijmorlan]

The problem with your statement is that the only way that happens is by keeping trains away from everything, including people...which is bad...and pointless, a driver like this hitting an LRT is bad, and bad optics, but drivers like this injure people every day, and it doesn't even make the paper.

The real solution might be to keep cars away from everything, but our society clearly isn't ready for that...even the Dutch don't do that...although the Dutch seem to have figured out how to limit the harm bad drivers do.

Or TL;DR....lets not start this again, cars are the problem, not trains.

Guys...this is just rage baiting...right? Has danbroterston just been trolling all these years? I refuse to believe a real person has been writing this stuff hahah. Every forum needs a good troll so I've gotta give him a good 5.5 out of 10 if it has in fact all been a long satirical troll. I'll even bump it up a point or two for the sheer dedication it takes to achieve this. "It's not the train's fault it was built on the roads meant for automobiles, it's the automobiles fault!" haha pretty good stuff, like 4chan's /n/-tier transpo trolling lmao.

No, you are obviously the troll, of this group (and please, everybody, especially moderators, I don’t mean this as an insult; it’s just an assessment of many of the things he writes; a troll can be, and in this case is, an important part of the community who brings a lot of character to the place).

And the roads weren’t meant for automobiles. They were originally meant for pedestrians and horse-drawn vehicles, then later electric streetcars were added. Only more recently did automobiles become common and eventually take over almost the whole right-of-way. Then yet more recently tracks were added back in, making the central portion of the street “meant for” both private vehicles and automobiles, in separate lanes.

[creative]

Interestingly, I’ve often wondered if ac3r is even an architect! He’s quick to be critical of others’ work but only shows us examples of good architecture produced by others but never shows his own work. I have no experience working with architects so I have no idea if this is standard practice but I did work in the design field for over 30 years with many other creative individuals including designers, illustrators, videographers, photographers and developers. I never once met someone who was not eager to share their portfolio of work with you.

[ac3r]

If you plan on hiring me to teach or design something I can share my whole portfolio.

[ijmorlan]

Interestingly, I’ve often wondered if ac3r is even an architect! He’s quick to be critical of others’ work but only shows us examples of good architecture produced by others but never shows his own work. I have no experience working with architects so I have no idea if this is standard practice but I did work in the design field for over 30 years with many other creative individuals including designers, illustrators, videographers, photographers and developers. I never once met someone who was not eager to share their portfolio of work with you.

Interesting point, but if he wishes to remain pseudonymous then it’s unavoidable. He can’t even make many statements along the lines of “when I was working on an office building in North York, …” and then go on to say much about the building without making it possible to identify him.

[Momo26]

Guys slow down...I need to grab my popcorn.

[creative]

Guys slow down...I need to grab my popcorn.

Nothing to see here!

[Momo26]

Guys slow down...I need to grab my popcorn.

Nothing to see here!

Hahaha sure sure