ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit

[trainspotter139]

Anyone know if there's a timeline for their installation?

Probably not until Spring

[Bob_McBob]

Is there going to be another council update or was that just until the trains were delivered?

[Canard]

Anyone know if there's a timeline for their installation?

The latest update from the project team was that installation was to happen from about May to August, 2018, and they had a specific timeline of when each piece would go in.

Needless to say, they're woefully behind.

[Canard]

Is there going to be another council update or was that just until the trains were delivered?

I asked recently, and the project team thanked me for "reaching out", mentioned there would be a formal update "soon", and to "stay tuned".

[panamaniac]

Anyone know if there's a timeline for their installation?

The latest update from the project team was that installation was to happen from about May to August, 2018, and they had a specific timeline of when each piece would go in.

Needless to say, they're woefully behind.

And meanwhile, I understand that the artists have been left to bear the expense of storing the completed artworks.

[danbrotherston]

Is there going to be another council update or was that just until the trains were delivered?

I asked recently, and the project team thanked me for "reaching out", mentioned there would be a formal update "soon", and to "stay tuned".

Lol, when it put it that way, sounds like an email autoresponder.

[Canard]

[Square]

Just had a thought. Does any one know, when they installed the FIE, was it installed in both cabs? Thank you.

[taylortbb]

Just had a thought.   Does any one know, when they installed the FIE, was it installed in both cabs?   Thank you.

The in-cab signalling and other displays certainly have to be. We don't have turnaround loops at the line ends, just crossovers, so the trains will run both directions on the line. The equipment is more than just the in-cab part though, so there would be components like computers that are in neither cab.

[Canard]

I might have used the word "could" instead of "would" - in order to minimize the rework required for the installation, the clever thing to do would be to put the majority of the equipment in one cab (you have to tear it apart, anyway) and make the other cab HMI a "slave" to it, rather than have a whole third area of the vehicle that needs to have the brains installed with equal installations at each cab.

...that being said, from what I understand, the entire train essentially needed to be torn apart to fit it all in and get it wired up, so...

Fun Reminder: "Free-Issued Equipment" is a generic, non-industry, non-Waterloo/ION specific term. It's a very common way for customers to take control of an aspect of a project and manage certain hardware aspects with a supplier or manufacturer. In this case, Bombardier is using the terminology more publicly I think in an attempt to make it very clearly known that this is the case - that the Region Free Issued this equipment to them, and so it's not their fault this time that things have pushed on so late.

[Square]

Just had a thought.   Does any one know, when they installed the FIE, was it installed in both cabs?   Thank you.

The in-cab signalling and other displays certainly have to be. We don't have turnaround loops at the line ends, just crossovers, so the trains will run both directions on the line. The equipment is more than just the in-cab part though, so there would be components like computers that are in neither cab.

Thank you for the reply.   Just occurred to me that when the photos were shown here with the empty hole in the cab, was the empty hole in both A and B cab?

[Square]

I might have used the word "could" instead of "would" - in order to minimize the rework required for the installation, the clever thing to do would be to put the majority of the equipment in one cab (you have to tear it apart, anyway) and make the other cab HMI a "slave" to it, rather than have a whole third area of the vehicle that needs to have the brains installed with equal installations at each cab.

...that being said, from what I understand, the entire train essentially needed to be torn apart to fit it all in and get it wired up, so...

Fun Reminder:  "Free-Issued Equipment" is a generic, non-industry, non-Waterloo/ION specific term.  It's a very common way for customers to take control of an aspect of a project and manage certain hardware aspects with a supplier or manufacturer.  In this case, Bombardier is using the terminology more publicly I think in an attempt to make it very clearly known that this is the case - that the Region Free Issued this equipment to them, and so it's not their fault this time that things have pushed on so late.

Thank you for the details.

[Canard]

Thank you for the reply.   Just occurred to me that when the photos were shown here with the empty hole in the cab, was the empty hole in both A and B cab?

Given that the cabs should appear identical to an operator, I would think it is safe to assume that both cabs were modified, and thus, were delivered with a hole in the right console.

(the final configuration has been re-designed where the additional equipment was installed in the centre console, with the display that was in the centre being moved to the right console.)

[tomh009]

Given that the cabs should appear identical to an operator, I would think it is safe to assume that both cabs were modified, and thus, were delivered with a hole in the right console.

(the final configuration has been re-designed where the additional equipment was installed in the centre console, with the display that was in the centre being moved to the right console.)

So do some trains have the FIE on the right, then, and others in the centre?

[Square]

Thank you for the reply.   Just occurred to me that when the photos were shown here with the empty hole in the cab, was the empty hole in both A and B cab?

Given that the cabs should appear identical to an operator, I would think it is safe to assume that both cabs were modified, and thus, were delivered with a hole in the right console.

(the final configuration has been re-designed where the additional equipment was installed in the centre console, with the display that was in the centre being moved to the right console.)

Thank you for the new detail in bold.   Always want to check out the vehicle when it's on display, but not had a chance yet.