General Road and Highway Discussion

[cherrypark]

Would be nice to have council have EMS heads by council to have to attest to how Cedar and Joseph are "making it difficult for emergency vehicles to get through". Did some staffer just browse Nextdoor for an afternoon to adopt some baseless claims by that grumpy "I own a Tesla" guy?

[Bytor]

I would just like somebody to explain to me the logic behind the assertion that bike lanes make things more dangerous.

[bravado]

I would just like somebody to explain to me the logic behind the assertion that bike lanes make things more dangerous.

They make drivers have to do more work to avoid killing people, or more importantly: denting their car

So, they’re clearly dangerous…

On a more serious and sad answer, we design our bike lanes to be such shitty compromises to try and make drivers less angry that we actually do create some unsafe monstrosities a lot of the time.

[dtkvictim]

I would just like somebody to explain to me the logic behind the assertion that bike lanes make things more dangerous.

a) They encourage more people to cycle, which inevitably means more bicycle-vehicle interactions. Some people perceive the interaction as inherently dangerous (and would rather bicycles, the less dangerous element, just go away).
b) They cause some motorists to become extremely irate, who then take dangerous actions because they can't control their emotions (rational anger or not isn't relevant)
c) They are lying because they don't have any valid arguments to make

Take your pick

[danbrotherston]

I would just like somebody to explain to me the logic behind the assertion that bike lanes make things more dangerous.

a) They encourage more people to cycle, which inevitably means more bicycle-vehicle interactions. Some people perceive the interaction as inherently dangerous (and would rather bicycles, the less dangerous element, just go away).
b) They cause some motorists to become extremely irate, who then take dangerous actions because they can't control their emotions (rational anger or not isn't relevant)
c) They are lying because they don't have any valid arguments to make

Take your pick

This is exactly right...a and b are the two answers.

a) is for the engineers. A largely unstated, but very clear safety policy has been "get rid of people outside of cars" this is a major way the engineering profession has "increased safety" on our roads.

b) is for people...yes it is clearly the abusive boyfriend of arguments "look at what you made me do"...but, and I'm sure sevenman will downvote me for this comment, driving makes abusive boyfriends of us all (myself included at times)....we act rashly and then blame others for our actions.

[ac3r]

Another reason why we should start considering whether very, very, very old people should maybe not be driving vehicles without proving they still have the skills to do so: https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/cambridge-w...-1.7094037