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(07-17-2019, 12:44 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Okay, this is mega bizarre!
https://www.kitchenertoday.com/local-new...on-1588963
It is now being claimed that the LRV was not involved in the collision. I have photographs proving otherwise, I believe:
Here you can clearly see scratches on the right front bumper of the train. I can believe that these are from an earlier collision and the bumper was left as it is only cosmetic damage.
However, you can also CLEARLY see that the front centre bumper panel is dislodged. Is the region actually claiming that the train was operated in that state? That seems highly unlikely. I have never seen it before.
Further, the vehicle on the left has substantial damage to it's right rear quarter panel. There is nothing else nearby that could possibly have caused that damage.
I cannot comprehend why this report is being given and it must be in error.
How is our reporting this bad, or is the region just confused.....
WRPS wouldn't claim anything unless it had evidence to support the claim. Every LRV has cameras that face out of the cab. Keolis can provide that footage to police pretty quickly.
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The report doesn't seem to be up on WRPS' site. It's very possible that a cop made an offhand remark to the Kitchener Post journalist that he then reported on.
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If the train didn't hit the car, what the heck did the car hit?
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The photo accompanying the article clearly shows damage on the right tail end of the car, so something hit it if not the ION. I find it hard to believe that this is a "single vehicle collision."
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07-17-2019, 06:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-17-2019, 06:41 PM by ac3r.)
And another one. This says it was a "collision on LRT tracks" and doesn't explicitly say a car hit the train, but as the article says, there was visible damage and people on the train felt the impact. Two in one day...keep it up Kitchener.
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/collision-o...-1.4512562
https://twitter.com/GoldDwaggy/status/11...3533185030
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Looks like driver ignoring the no turn signs...as they do continuously..
I mean, we could enforce the rules of the road, but our priorities are instead on fare enforcement, despite broken fare machines...*sigh*....
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(07-17-2019, 07:37 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Looks like driver ignoring the no turn signs...as they do continuously..
I mean, we could enforce the rules of the road, but our priorities are instead on fare enforcement, despite broken fare machines...*sigh*....
Aren't fare enforcement and road enforcement two separate things? But I see you point, but I am just saying the two aren't related at all.
And, until some hot shot or an officer gets seriously hurt by idiots that ignore red lights, no right or left turns, stops signs, no u-turns, etc., this is going to continue to happen. Though I imagine at some point the region will see their revenue stream suffer due to reliable issues with the LRT (due to piss poor driving in KW), perhaps some by-laws will be added, and regional or city staff can start charging these idiot drivers.
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(07-17-2019, 09:55 PM)jeffster Wrote: And, until some hot shot or an officer gets seriously hurt by idiots that ignore red lights, no right or left turns, stops signs, no u-turns, etc., this is going to continue to happen. Though I imagine at some point the region will see their revenue stream suffer due to reliable issues with the LRT (due to piss poor driving in KW), perhaps some by-laws will be added, and regional or city staff can start charging these idiot drivers.
Good point. It shouldn’t take police involvement at the scene — what is on the Ion’s video recording should be enough to get a conviction.
But probably not. Some people have this weird idea that car owners shouldn’t be responsible for their vehicles, and use that as an argument against red light or speed cameras — “how can you convict me of running a red when you can’t even prove it was me driving the vehicle?”. To which the response should be that they can either collect the fine from the person who was driving, or report the vehicle stolen.
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07-17-2019, 10:51 PM
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Quote: Some people have this weird idea that car owners shouldn’t be responsible for their vehicles, and use that as an argument against red light or speed cameras — “how can you convict me of running a red when you can’t even prove it was me driving the vehicle?”. To which the response should be that they can either collect the fine from the person who was driving, or report the vehicle stolen.
As we say in fraud prevention, 'that's a civil matter'.
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You would think the Record would be all over this. Every single bystander and witness is reporting that there was a collision with the LRV, and this seems to be corroborated by photographic evidence, and yet WRPS is saying there wasn't. What is their justification for this in light of witness testimony. What are the actual facts? Was the LRV damaged? Was WRPS trying to cover something up?
There could be a big story here, not about the LRT, but about WRPS.
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ac3r Wrote:And another one. This says it was a "collision on LRT tracks" and doesn't explicitly say a car hit the train, but as the article says, there was visible damage and people on the train felt the impact. Two in one day...keep it up Kitchener.
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/collision-o...-1.4512562
https://twitter.com/GoldDwaggy/status/11...3533185030
Someone commuting with me this morning was on that train yesterday. There was no collision, but the train braked hard and he was thrown to the floor. He says (this is all hearsay, remember) that the train was stopped for around 25 minutes, part of that time shut down with no HVAC, before a linesman or someone showed up to inspect the train and ask if everyone was okay. He said communication from the driver was good, except for the fact that there was nothing really to communicate.
He thought there was no collision at all, but that the car was stuck on the curb between the rails and the road.
Whether or not 25 minutes was subjective or objective time, there was obviously a delay and he told me the train was quite busy. Calling out paramedics, Keolis staff, and a couple of cops, all of whom have other things they could be doing, along with wasting a few dozens or potentially a hundred commuters' time, is a huge cost. There should be a significant charge against that driver.
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We got on the ION at Fairview close to 6 p.m. and the train only went to Market Terminal and then it returned to Fairview. Apparently because of the delay (accident) at Manulife.
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07-18-2019, 08:12 AM
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(07-18-2019, 07:07 AM)MidTowner Wrote: ac3r Wrote:And another one. This says it was a "collision on LRT tracks" and doesn't explicitly say a car hit the train, but as the article says, there was visible damage and people on the train felt the impact. Two in one day...keep it up Kitchener.
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/collision-o...-1.4512562
https://twitter.com/GoldDwaggy/status/11...3533185030
Someone commuting with me this morning was on that train yesterday. There was no collision, but the train braked hard and he was thrown to the floor. He says (this is all hearsay, remember) that the train was stopped for around 25 minutes, part of that time shut down with no HVAC, before a linesman or someone showed up to inspect the train and ask if everyone was okay. He said communication from the driver was good, except for the fact that there was nothing really to communicate.
He thought there was no collision at all, but that the car was stuck on the curb between the rails and the road.
Whether or not 25 minutes was subjective or objective time, there was obviously a delay and he told me the train was quite busy. Calling out paramedics, Keolis staff, and a couple of cops, all of whom have other things they could be doing, along with wasting a few dozens or potentially a hundred commuters' time, is a huge cost. There should be a significant charge against that driver.
It's very likely that a collision would not be particularly perceptible to people on the train. A small sedan weighs about a ton, the LRV weighs about 50 tons unloaded, and the braking is particularly powerful. If you watch videos of trams hitting cars, the drivers of the trams are usually not even jostled by the collision, I doubt it would be any more jarring than the usual jostling the LRV undergoes during normal operation.
His account, and the newspaper reporting does not match the position of the car that I saw and photographed (it was clear of the tracks when I came upon it, and had substantial damage to the rear quarter panel), nor the damage to the LRV (scuffs on the front right bumper and dislodging of the centre panel)...
Honestly, I cannot understand how this is still a question...are our newspapers this careless? Is there a cover-up?
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