12-12-2020, 06:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-12-2020, 06:48 PM by danbrotherston.)
(12-12-2020, 02:10 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(12-12-2020, 12:05 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: It is not remotely that....I did not say that.
Did I misquote you?
“I am saying inequal enforcement is intended to reinforce existing inequities in our society.”
Enforcement is intended to…
Intended by whom? It can only be people who have some control over the enforcement process.
The enforcement regime may have the effect of reinforcing inequities, but if you can come up with any evidence that anybody is actually trying for (intending) that effect I’ll probably fall off my chair in surprise.
Honest question for you: if people with control over enforcement were asked what their intentions are for it, what would they say? And would they be lying?
It is very difficult to fight something which one does not understand. At this point I think it’s probably safe to say that most of the evil in our society is unintended, essentially due to poor thinking and carelessness. For example, most of the deaths caused by motor vehicles: there is no crypto-Nazi designing our roads with the intent of having a high death toll; rather, people have internalized that a high death toll is unavoidable and/or doesn’t matter because the victims must have been doing something wrong.
Or take the claim in recent years that the cases of missing and murdered Indigenous women constitute a genocide. This is absolutely untrue; if it were a genocide, the response would be to mobilize the military to destroy whatever force was conducting the genocide, just as was done in the Second World War. But in reality it is a class of crime of a sort that ties in to all sorts of societal assumptions and practices and what has to be done to fix it is much more subtle. Besides the actual perpetrators, who are hard to find, responsibility is diffuse.
Society.
I was pretty clear “I’m not assuming anyone is evil”
Just because no particular person will admit that as intent, does not mean somethings function is not to maintain inequality.
I think we as a society are responsible for that.
Also, the historical claim is not true. The Second World War was not fought to stop a genocide.
We rarely stop genocides even when they are public, just see the Rwandan genocide.
As for what is a genocide, I haven’t heard the missing women specifically called a genocide outside of the context of the genocide we absolutely perpetrated against all indigenous people in the last century.