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Road design, transportation and walkability
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(04-28-2020, 08:24 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(04-28-2020, 08:17 PM)WLU Wrote: Hi Rob,

  Thanks for the links.  While checking them out.  I also found some articles that attempt to debunk the theory.  I've included some below.  Until today, I've never read any articles pro or against this theory.  The theory just doesn't make any sense to me and I just form my personal opinion based on data and what I observe, and I feel that demand for driving is driven mainly by population growth and economics/choice ( the affordability of driving ). 
  Again, these are just a couple of articles.  I guess we can take from it what we will.  Thx Rob.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/puncturing-the-myth-of-more-roads-mean-more-congestion

https://www.cato.org/blog/debunking-induced-demand-myth


General relativity doesn’t make any sense to me, for tens of thousands of years the idea the earth was a sphere didn’t make sense to people.

Just because something doesn’t make sense to you doesn’t mean it isn’t true. You have hundreds of 60s and 70s planners who also didn’t believe it.  Sadly they, and you are wrong.  This is very well understood, and accepted.  It isn’t worth talking to you about it because you don’t accept basic fundamental facts of the world. And yes, you can find some libertarian think tanks and angry drivers who want to deny these basic facts but it doesn’t make you edgy or ahead of the curve to believe them, it makes you unaccepting of basic facts, and I don’t have the energy to argue with someone about whether water is wet.

As for subsidies, it costs more to deliver services to suburban areas. That too is a simple fact.  There are more roads to service, more pipes, more fire halls, more ambulance depots, more libraries, longer bus routes, etc.  This is also well understood, dense areas of a city subsidize sprawling ones.
Hahaha.......disagreeing with you on this one particular theory makes me "unaccepting of basic facts of the world" of the world? really?.  I also noticed right away you come up with "angry" drivers who want to deny these facts.  I watched a video of yours once and I must say you sure did come across as an "angry cyclist". Smile

  You don't mention that suburban homes pay substantially higher taxes than those in the core.  Doing quick math, the 20 year old small court I live on in Kitchener collects over $130,000 annually for 24 homes.  I'm pretty sure we are paying our way.  We don't even have bus service in our subdivision so at a minimum we're subsidizing transit without even having the opportunity to use it.    

  Regardless and thankfully regional staff must also have some doubts or at least don't care about induced demand because they're clearly going ahead and widening Fisher-Hallman.
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RE: Grand River Transit - by ijmorlan - 04-24-2020, 08:59 PM
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RE: Grand River Transit - by MidTowner - 04-25-2020, 06:53 AM
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RE: Grand River Transit - by ijmorlan - 04-28-2020, 12:26 PM
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RE: Grand River Transit - by WLU - 04-28-2020, 08:12 PM
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