03-07-2019, 03:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-07-2019, 03:57 PM by danbrotherston.)
(03-07-2019, 01:24 PM)creative Wrote: How do you avoid the bus stopping in the bike lane and/or stopping in the driving lane and have departing passengers exit into the bike lane? I don’t have any idea how to solve this problem. What solutions would you propose?
People have more or less answered this question here already, but I'll summarize my position.
Bus stop bypasses are the "correct" solution, they're used in Europe, especially the Netherlands, and they take no more space than any other solution, but they would require reconstruction and thus cannot be used here[1].
What I expect they will do is have a break in the bollards and curbs (yes, we are getting curbs on University) for the bus to use, which will be inconvenient, but fairly safe for all users.
There is precedent for letting passengers off in not the curb lane--this is what streetcars do in Toronto--but it barely works there with a lifetime of experience, and the biggest light show you've ever seen (https://youtu.be/TMM3n80hTQw?t=147) neither of which we have here, so probably safest for buses to come to the curb. With growth in cycling, we can start to justify a bus stop bypasses.
And yes, the entire corridor is garbage for all users except drivers and needs major enhancements of better crossings, better sidewalks, better bike lanes, and better transit stops. This gives us one of those things only.
[1] There is a product which allows a city to develop bus stop bypasses as a temporary installation, however because it is a retrofit solution it *does* require more streets space, which probably isn't an option on University without removing lanes (it *might* be possible removing ONLY turn lanes, but that would still be a non-starter I think). Still, it is something that might fit on King St. as we are already removing a lane, so possibly they will try it there, I did raise the existence of this product with the project manager....well...at least the previous one.
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2018/03/05/s...-bus-stop/
https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/floating...t-oakland/