10-17-2016, 01:48 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-17-2016, 01:49 PM by Elmira Guy.)
So is the preferred approach no speed limits on MUT's for cyclists and e-scooters?
As comparisons to speed limits on roads have been made by some, and rejected by others, should it also follow that speed limits on roads also be done away with?
As I don't drive, I spend a lot of time being a pedestrian, and I have seen a$$holes who represent every mode of transportation, including pedestrians.
The only great difference is that vehicle drivers who don't abide by the laws are a much greater threat to users of the other modes of transport. It's also true however that a pedestrian being hit or even clipped by a cyclist doing 30 kph is likely to suffer some sort of injury. Yet there are several people here who have argued that cyclists have as much right to sidewalks as pedestrians do.
I am very conscious of the laws as they pertain to me as a pedestrian, but I also try to be courteous. Again, every mode has their fair share of discourteous people. Out and about yesterday with a friend, I saw several cars fail to signal, or accelerate through an amber when they had plenty of time to stop. I saw a cyclist go right through a red light at Weber and Queen forcing cars who had the ROW to brake in the middle of the intersection, and then give said car drivers the finger. Also saw a young woman start into the crosswalk when she had to have known she was never going to make it to the other side before her light turned orange.
So since courtesy and consideration for others cannot be mandated or enforced, there has to be laws. And there has to be laws governing all modes of transport. ALL of the aforementioned behaviours should be subject to enforcement regardless of what camp you favour, as all of them behaved badly.
Note: A day does not pass where I don't see someone from all three modes behave in a discourteous, if not illegal manor. The only exception to this frequency is cyclists in the winter.
As comparisons to speed limits on roads have been made by some, and rejected by others, should it also follow that speed limits on roads also be done away with?
As I don't drive, I spend a lot of time being a pedestrian, and I have seen a$$holes who represent every mode of transportation, including pedestrians.
The only great difference is that vehicle drivers who don't abide by the laws are a much greater threat to users of the other modes of transport. It's also true however that a pedestrian being hit or even clipped by a cyclist doing 30 kph is likely to suffer some sort of injury. Yet there are several people here who have argued that cyclists have as much right to sidewalks as pedestrians do.
I am very conscious of the laws as they pertain to me as a pedestrian, but I also try to be courteous. Again, every mode has their fair share of discourteous people. Out and about yesterday with a friend, I saw several cars fail to signal, or accelerate through an amber when they had plenty of time to stop. I saw a cyclist go right through a red light at Weber and Queen forcing cars who had the ROW to brake in the middle of the intersection, and then give said car drivers the finger. Also saw a young woman start into the crosswalk when she had to have known she was never going to make it to the other side before her light turned orange.
So since courtesy and consideration for others cannot be mandated or enforced, there has to be laws. And there has to be laws governing all modes of transport. ALL of the aforementioned behaviours should be subject to enforcement regardless of what camp you favour, as all of them behaved badly.
Note: A day does not pass where I don't see someone from all three modes behave in a discourteous, if not illegal manor. The only exception to this frequency is cyclists in the winter.