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Taxation and the middle class
(05-04-2024, 07:24 PM)ac3r Wrote:
(05-04-2024, 08:17 AM)bravado Wrote: Imagine thinking you’re entitled to pay less than others do for public services because your income is acquired a different way

I can't agree with that. Why should people who have earned more through their own volition be obligated to give a government a significantly larger sum of those earnings than others do? How is that fair?

You don't seem to have comprehended what they wrote. They didn't say more or less, they said differently. You're betraying an emotional response.

(05-04-2024, 07:24 PM)ac3r Wrote: If I chose to guide my life in a way that has resulted in an abundance of wealth, that all belongs to me minus what at least should be fairly taxed.

And what is fair? Is it what you specifically decide, and not what the people who elect the government want? Sounds authoritarian.

(05-04-2024, 07:24 PM)ac3r Wrote: If the government can't afford to do its job, then it should be making cuts where necessary and finding ways to earn more, rather than expecting those with more of it to give it to them.

If the people want more services or to maintain services that have become more expensive, the way to government "earns more" is by raising taxes. You can have your opinion on what is correct and worthwhile, but you don't seem to understand how the government is already funded. Not to mention the long term financial ramifications of cutting services or selling off assets.

(05-04-2024, 07:24 PM)ac3r Wrote: I also find it absurd that many of the general population has also somehow got the idea into their head the whole "eat the rich" rhetoric, where there is almost some sort of psychological envy that makes them resent and hate wealthier people than them, to the point they have deluded themselves into thinking they should be entitled to some of that (through however the state would use it, if it were more heavily taxed).

I certainly agree that a frightening number of progressives view pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator in the name of equality as "progress", which seems to be the mentality you're describing. But to use that to discard their motivation entirely leads you to a path equally as dogmatic and inflexible that the results will be no better. We live in a system where wealth begets wealth and political power. It's an unfair system that needs to be balanced with "unfair" taxation, or something similar, lest it spiral out of control.
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RE: Taxation and the middle class - by nms - 02-04-2020, 12:16 AM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by embe - 02-04-2020, 02:07 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ijmorlan - 02-04-2020, 04:26 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by Bytor - 12-03-2020, 11:57 AM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ijmorlan - 12-03-2020, 12:56 PM
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RE: Taxation and the middle class - by plam - 12-03-2020, 06:50 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by tomh009 - 12-03-2020, 07:59 PM
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RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ac3r - 12-13-2023, 09:39 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by SF22 - 12-14-2023, 12:26 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by nms - 12-12-2023, 10:10 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by bravado - 12-12-2023, 10:24 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by bravado - 12-13-2023, 06:53 PM
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RE: Taxation and the middle class - by dtkvictim - 12-13-2023, 09:37 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ac3r - 05-04-2024, 07:29 AM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by bravado - 05-04-2024, 08:17 AM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ac3r - 05-04-2024, 07:24 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by dtkvictim - 05-05-2024, 01:33 AM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ac3r - 05-07-2024, 02:50 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by tomh009 - 05-07-2024, 03:31 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by KevinL - 05-04-2024, 10:01 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ijmorlan - 05-04-2024, 10:32 PM
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RE: Taxation and the middle class - by Acitta - 07-09-2024, 06:59 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by plam - 07-09-2024, 11:01 PM
RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ac3r - 06-28-2024, 08:10 PM
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RE: Taxation and the middle class - by ijmorlan - 09-03-2024, 11:04 PM
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