Road design, safety and Vision Zero

[danbrotherston]

Wait, there is no red light along Gaukel now? what about a stop sign? But bicycles are allowed? The engineer who did that is going to get sued for sure for sure. There is no traffic control device for the cyclist at all--they are not supposed to follow the pedestrian signals--they have the right of way and so do drivers, it is the same liability if an engineer programmed the lights to be green in both directions at the same time.

I feel like I must be understanding the situation wrongly, but as I've said before, I'm no longer surprised by our engineers incompetence...I already know they lack the skills and training to build good infrastructure that isn't for cars.

I mean crossing from the southern Gaukel pedestrian street, to the northern "pedestrian" thing/modal filter, if that's what you interpreted. Google Streetview is showing me Oct 2023 coverage which seems to be up to date with everything I described. I suspect the legal answer is that Gaukel street is poorly defined, and cycling on it is a grey area? Despite being clearly encouraged.

No lights, facing north (bonus, the no stopping sign pointing left is probably encouraging people to stop to the right... on the crosswalk): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4500708,...?entry=ttu

No lights, facing south: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4500708,...?entry=ttu

The pedestrian button setup I describe that seems to confuse everyone I see: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4500708,...?entry=ttu

That's pretty much exactly what I was envisioning. The original street hardscape, with temporary materials "transforming" it, but with the sidewalks and roadway intact.

I imagine if this did go to court, engineers lawyers would argue that the no entry sign means cycling is entirely prohibited, so any cyclist is automatically at fault for anything that happens while breaking the law.

Of course, that's probably not what's intended, but I don't harbour any illusions that the regional engineers who worked on the signals have so much as given a single thought about cyclists....I've met the dude, he's so full of shit, he tows the party line like a fucking robot...(to clarify the implication, the party line is shit).

Still, as usual this will work because unlike the engineers, most people aren't robots and know how to do something other than follow a rulebook. But of course, it will lead to hate and anger at cyclists for "breaking the rules".