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Road design, safety and Vision Zero
(07-04-2022, 12:15 PM)jwilliamson Wrote: Does anyone know what the rules are when there is a traffic light for a pedestrian crossing at an intersection, but the traffic light doesn't cross one of the roads at the intersection? I'm specifically thinking about the intersection at Albert and Seagram here.

Albert is North-South, and there is a traffic light across Albert that turns red after the pedestrian button is pushed. Immediately to the south of the light Seagram T-intersects Albert, I think with a stop sign. To the south of Seagram there is a stop line for northbound traffic on Albert.

When the light is green it's obvious what everyone should do. When the light is red:
1. Do cars turning from Albert northbound to Seagram need to stop? They are facing a red light and making a left turn, which suggests yes, but if the traffic light only controls the pedestrian crossing then it shouldn't affect them.
2. After stopping at the stop sign, do cars turning from Seagram to Albert northbound need to wait for the light to turn green, or can they turn once the crosswalk is clear?

Albert and Segram is an IPS.

For 1. Yes, Albert cars must all stop, there is a red light and the stop bar for the light is before the Albert intersection. Crossing that bar is turning against the light.

For 2. Cars turning from Seagram to Albert must stop for pedestrians, but it is unclear to me if they need to wait till the light turns green.

There's a weirder one on Albert though, at Erb, there is a diverter island that appears like a right turn slip ramp island. A pedestrian who wants to cross Bridgeport will get a walk sign across Bridgeport, but must cross to the diverter island to cross Bridgeport. At an intersection with a right turn slip ramp, peds can cross the slip ramp with the right of way (there is a yield sign), but here, drivers have an explicit green light and will not stop or yield.

To me the right answer is either control the crossing to the island explicitly with a signal or with a yield sign. But as is, it frankly is anti-pedestrian bordering on entrapment. And very close to uptown at that.
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Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ijmorlan - 05-07-2019, 10:24 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 12-04-2020, 04:16 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 12-05-2020, 05:26 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 12-08-2020, 11:45 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 12-06-2020, 05:35 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 12-06-2020, 10:41 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-18-2021, 04:59 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-18-2021, 10:07 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-19-2021, 05:00 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-19-2021, 07:28 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-21-2021, 05:26 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-18-2021, 06:34 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-06-2021, 04:10 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 03-22-2021, 05:33 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 06-09-2021, 06:25 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 06-10-2021, 10:46 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 12-02-2021, 10:21 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by timc - 01-05-2022, 02:53 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-17-2022, 02:16 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 01-26-2022, 10:20 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-15-2022, 01:11 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-17-2022, 03:18 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 05-26-2022, 09:12 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 06-08-2022, 01:44 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 06-08-2022, 09:44 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 06-09-2022, 10:16 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by danbrotherston - 07-04-2022, 12:31 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 08-12-2022, 06:28 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 09-23-2022, 05:56 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 12-18-2022, 02:00 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 12-20-2022, 10:38 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by timc - 01-01-2023, 04:52 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by timc - 01-02-2023, 10:05 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-07-2023, 05:49 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-08-2023, 12:47 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-08-2023, 05:58 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-09-2023, 05:11 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-10-2023, 01:33 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 01-10-2023, 06:14 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 01-11-2023, 01:49 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by timc - 02-28-2023, 01:46 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 04-03-2023, 12:00 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 04-04-2023, 12:50 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 03-31-2023, 09:33 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 07-14-2023, 06:55 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by plam - 11-12-2023, 12:56 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by SF22 - 11-30-2023, 09:51 AM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 02-28-2024, 02:19 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-18-2024, 02:01 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-18-2024, 08:24 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-19-2024, 02:11 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-19-2024, 04:43 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 03-19-2024, 10:04 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-20-2024, 09:41 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by nms - 03-22-2024, 09:20 PM
RE: Road design, safety and Vision Zero - by ac3r - 03-27-2024, 12:23 PM
Road design and Vision Zero - by SammyOES - 05-08-2019, 10:19 AM
Road design and Vision Zero - by danbrotherston - 05-10-2019, 11:13 AM
RE: General Road and Highway Discussion - by plam - 05-10-2019, 02:31 PM
Road design and Vision Zero - by danbrotherston - 05-11-2019, 01:48 PM
Road design and Vision Zero - by plam - 05-13-2019, 08:03 AM
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