General Politics Discussion

[tomh009]

There's a remote outside chance the new Liberal leader convinces the NDP to prop them up, but it is unlikely.

After Singh's comments today, it would seem virtually impossible

At the moment, the NDP is actually in a pretty weak position. If the election were held today they would win more seats than the Liberals but the Conservatives would claim a strong majority, basically eliminating the influence the NDP has held over the minority Liberal government.

[panamaniac]

After Singh's comments today, it would seem virtually impossible

At the moment, the NDP is actually in a pretty weak position. If the election were held today they would win more seats than the Liberals but the Conservatives would claim a strong majority, basically eliminating the influence the NDP has held over the minority Liberal government.

Assuming that they get a boost from the leadership contest, the NDP and Liberals will be slugging it out for third party status.  With enormous luck and a stellar campaign, the Liberals might make it to Official Oppositon, but that's very optimistic.

[tomh009]

At the moment, the NDP is actually in a pretty weak position. If the election were held today they would win more seats than the Liberals but the Conservatives would claim a strong majority, basically eliminating the influence the NDP has held over the minority Liberal government.

Assuming that they get a boost from the leadership contest, the NDP and Liberals will be slugging it out for third party status.  With enormous luck and a stellar campaign, the Liberals might make it to Official Oppositon, but that's very optimistic.

At least they should be able to do better than the post-Mulroney PCs ... probably.

[panamaniac]

Assuming that they get a boost from the leadership contest, the NDP and Liberals will be slugging it out for third party status.  With enormous luck and a stellar campaign, the Liberals might make it to Official Oppositon, but that's very optimistic.

At least they should be able to do better than the post-Mulroney PCs ... probably.

It's not easy for centrists in today's hyper-polarized world.

[plam]

At least they should be able to do better than the post-Mulroney PCs ... probably.

It's not easy for centrists in today's hyper-polarized world.

And yet left-leaning parties keep on trying to find the center and not really succeeding for the most part. The examples that I'll cite are the US Democrats and the NZ Labour Party...

[bravado]

It's not easy for centrists in today's hyper-polarized world.

And yet left-leaning parties keep on trying to find the center and not really succeeding for the most part. The examples that I'll cite are the US Democrats and the NZ Labour Party...

Hard to tell if it's a backlash against centrism, or just an anti-incumbent trend across the whole western world.

[danbrotherston]

And yet left-leaning parties keep on trying to find the center and not really succeeding for the most part. The examples that I'll cite are the US Democrats and the NZ Labour Party...

Hard to tell if it's a backlash against centrism, or just an anti-incumbent trend across the whole western world.

I think it's pretty clear that neo-liberalism/neo-conservatism is failing pretty hard right now. It's not just incumbents, populism is rising, because a lot of things are going wrong.

I think that coincides with other trends as well, but I don't think it's particularly controversial.

(And by the way, anyone who thinks, Trump/Poilievre aren't neo-conservatives are fooling themselves).

[nms]

Pierre Poilievre's response was an angry video, prerecorded video in which he continued his refrain that Canada was broken.  Andrew Coyne of the Globe & Mail described it as weird and off-putting.

A few facts:

• Economic growth under Trudeau was 41%. Under Harper it was 18%.
  
• During the Trudeau years income growth was 23%. During the Harper decade it was 7.6%.
  
• Median Canadian net worth soared 66% between 2016 and 2023.
  
• In the G-7 only Germany’s GDP/Debt ratio outperformed Canada’s.
  
• Trudeau reduced poverty from 14.5% to 9.0%. Conservatives always want to make it higher to increase stress levels, suppress wages, lower taxes for the wealthy and punish the poor.
  
• 500,000 children were lifted out of poverty by the Child Care Benefit.
  
• Daycare from $2,000 per month to $200 per month. Pharmacare, Dental care. Justin Trudeau focused on looking after all of us.
  
• Mr. Poilievre not so much. Which is perhaps why he does not take questions he has not pre-approved. We are reminded that he lives in an 18 room taxpayer-funded mansion, has had no other job other than one funded by the public purse and will retire with an already guaranteed high 6 figure pension.
  
• Funded by a rich, diverse, and peaceful country he defends from her enemies by calling her broken and selling her to the highest bidder.
  

[Kodra24]

And yet left-leaning parties keep on trying to find the center and not really succeeding for the most part. The examples that I'll cite are the US Democrats and the NZ Labour Party...

Hard to tell if it's a backlash against centrism, or just an anti-incumbent trend across the whole western world.

Far-left is now Centrism? It's an anti-globalist anti-establishment trend, not an anti-incumbent trend - people are finally waking up

[Kodra24]

Argentina, Italy, France, Germany, Netherlands, US, and hopefully Canada in the next few months are all realizing that prosperity and freedom can only be obtained via a free-market, innovative economic model free of government intervention and regulation

Viva la Libertad, carajo!

[bravado]

Hard to tell if it's a backlash against centrism, or just an anti-incumbent trend across the whole western world.

Far-left is now Centrism? It's an anti-globalist anti-establishment trend, not an anti-incumbent trend - people are finally waking up

Left and Right governments have fallen all over the place since COVID, I really don't see a particular pattern to it. People are less awake than ever thanks to prevalent political ragebait and misinformation being boosted all over the place. The "globalist establishment" is gonna cash in quite hard in 2025, as they always do - but at least now most people are too busy blaming immigrants, or the other generation, or whatever the latest villain du jour is.

[ac3r]

Pierre Poilievre's response was an angry video, prerecorded video in which he continued his refrain that Canada was broken.

If we're not broken, why did the party leading us fall apart?

It is very broken and denying that is silly.

[bravado]

Because the government was well beyond its expiry date and too out of touch to realize it? None of this is new in Canadian political history. It’s harmful hyperbole to say Canada is broken. People don’t like the Liberal policies anymore, so they’re tanking in the polls. What’s abnormal about that?

Canadians vote governments out, they don’t vote new ones in. The best politicians know when to quit before the trend turns against them, but most don’t have that kind of self-awareness.

The liberals are going to lose because people don’t like them anymore, some of their policies have been deeply unpopular, and they’ve governed during COVID + high inflation, that’s just a normal death sentence for a government. Not “Canada is broken”. If anything is broken around here, it’s polarizing language like this that keeps driving people apart…

[tomh009]

The liberals are going to lose because people don’t like them anymore, some of their policies have been deeply unpopular, and they’ve governed during COVID + high inflation, that’s just a normal death sentence for a government. Not “Canada is broken”. If anything is broken around here, it’s polarizing language like this that keeps driving people apart…

Thank you!

[Acitta]

It is starting to sound like ex-Twitter around here lately.