04-21-2022, 11:23 PM
It's hard to tell from the pictures attached to the CTV story, but are there any windows in the new domestic arrivals area? Or it simply a big box with no natural light?
Region of Waterloo International Airport - YKF
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04-21-2022, 11:23 PM
It's hard to tell from the pictures attached to the CTV story, but are there any windows in the new domestic arrivals area? Or it simply a big box with no natural light?
04-22-2022, 09:45 AM
(04-21-2022, 11:23 PM)nms Wrote: It's hard to tell from the pictures attached to the CTV story, but are there any windows in the new domestic arrivals area? Or it simply a big box with no natural light? I wondered the same thing. It kind of looks like they put a luggage carousel in a warehouse. From the images in the CityNews article it appears that the only natural light comes from the glass exit doors.
04-25-2022, 08:02 PM
After I posted my question, I tried to think of other Canadian airports that I've been and I realized that there was a range of light available in the baggage carousels. Hopefully something can be done to make the walls a little more interesting and not just "Welcome to our Warehouse".
04-25-2022, 08:26 PM
Charlottetown's a lightless box. Winnipeg has some light, IIRC, but it feels like you're at the bottom of a silo.
04-25-2022, 08:56 PM
(04-25-2022, 08:02 PM)nms Wrote: After I posted my question, I tried to think of other Canadian airports that I've been and I realized that there was a range of light available in the baggage carousels. Hopefully something can be done to make the walls a little more interesting and not just "Welcome to our Warehouse". If you're flying Flair, there's no expectation of light ....
05-06-2022, 05:40 PM
Flair (assuming they stay in business) is introducing twice weekly YKF - YUL flights, beginning in July.
https://storage.googleapis.com/flyflair-...1e566f.pdf
05-06-2022, 09:10 PM
(05-06-2022, 05:40 PM)panamaniac Wrote: Flair (assuming they stay in business) is introducing twice weekly YKF - YUL flights, beginning in July. This is a heck of a great bit of news if they don't implode... I've been trying to convince my American wife to go visit Montreal but the train is absurdly expensive (but my favourite) and that drive is miserable.
05-27-2022, 07:16 PM
https://www.therecord.com/business/2022/...ments.html
There’s a whole bunch of bullshit from WestJet/Swoop in this article. For example, “Cummings said Swoop, which WestJet announced in 2017, was in its infancy at the time. However, Swoop and WestJet did not participate primarily “on principle,” he said.”
05-27-2022, 08:44 PM
On the principal that we are only interested in extinguishing nascent competition...
05-27-2022, 09:52 PM
Flair got exclusivity by making a commitment at YKF. Pretty much the same scenario as Porter at Billy Bishop.
05-27-2022, 10:43 PM
Yeah, I think exclusivity was a great move by the airport. Costs very little to give but can be very valuable to a new airline.
There’s just something so irritating listening to a big dominant player complaining about something like this. WestJet’s flown out of here for years - it’s not like they didn’t know about the airport. And the complaints are so disingenuous I actually think the Record should have added more context around why nobody should give any credence to what Swoop is saying.
05-28-2022, 10:05 AM
Canada sure loves transportation monopolies it seems. Greygound had pretty good control over bus routes in Southern Ontario (maybe all of Canada? I'm not sure). Flair has YKF. porter has Billy Bishop. Bombardier often wins awards for contracts as there are often stipulations on projects that X% must be done by Canadian companies. I'm no capitalist but if the free market is free, then anyone should be allowed to operate a business and the best ones will prevail over the others.
05-28-2022, 10:51 AM
(05-28-2022, 10:05 AM)ac3r Wrote: Flair has YKF Flair only has YKF because it's impossible for a small/upstart airline to survive in Canada otherwise. The big airlines will often SWOOP in and undercut them at a loss until the threat goes out of business. It should be illegal but in Canada we're okay with that I guess.
05-28-2022, 11:40 AM
(05-28-2022, 10:05 AM)ac3r Wrote: Canada sure loves transportation monopolies it seems. Greygound had pretty good control over bus routes in Southern Ontario (maybe all of Canada? I'm not sure). Flair has YKF. porter has Billy Bishop. Bombardier often wins awards for contracts as there are often stipulations on projects that X% must be done by Canadian companies. I'm no capitalist but if the free market is free, then anyone should be allowed to operate a business and the best ones will prevail over the others. In transportation it is well known that rules are required. I know of at least two problems with a “no rules” regime: first, large companies can undercut services offered by small competitors, then once the small competitor has gone bankrupt either increase prices or cancel the service entirely; second, jitneying, where buses are scheduled immediately ahead of an existing competitor’s schedule, so that they pick up the passengers waiting for the existing service. Neither of these is a hypothetical; they actually happen if there aren’t rules. That being said, my understanding is we had a ridiculous situation in the bus market where demand was not being serviced, but the incumbents could still prevent it from being served by arguing against the license application. Any new entrant who proposes to provide actually better service should be allowed to do so; but the service has to be an actual self-sustaining improvement on existing service, not just run one minute ahead of existing service or be subsidized by other operations of the operator.
05-28-2022, 01:35 PM
(05-28-2022, 10:05 AM)ac3r Wrote: I'm no capitalist but if the free market is free, then anyone should be allowed to operate a business and the best ones will prevail over the others. Unfettered capitalism, especially in high start-up cost industries, is terrible for consumers. The idea that a completely free market is automatically good for consumers is nonsense propaganda that many people try to push. And, for the record, I would call myself a capitalist! The exclusivity offer is both time-limited (3 years?) and limited to particular routes. Further, it was an open offer to all airlines at a time when almost nobody was flying commercial routes here and it took years before anyone took them up on it. The free market was available to everyone. And further, there are are a ton of viable destinations that YKF doesn’t have flights to that SWOOP could service and do just as well as Flair. The fact that they don’t want to us another clue that they don’t actually care about consumers. There are many reasons the article angers me, but one is that the airport spent years getting shit on for not attracting airlines and requiring subsidies. Then once they’ve achieved some success, people turn around and shit on them for one part of making that success happen. And while I’m sure everyone involved is used to taking crap I don’t have to like seeing it. |
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