Region approves supervised injection sites, Cambridge immediately bans them.

[Bob_McBob]

The PCs just put an indefinite halt on approvals for new harm reduction sites. Does this affect the planned sites in the region?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener...-1.4782132

[tomh009]

The PCs just put an indefinite halt on approvals for new harm reduction sites. Does this affect the planned sites in the region?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener...-1.4782132

Apparently not, but we shall have to wait and see.

[panamaniac]

The PCs just put an indefinite halt on approvals for new harm reduction sites. Does this affect the planned sites in the region?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener...-1.4782132

Apparently not, but we shall have to wait and see.

The Province has not approved any specific sites in the Region, has it?

[ijmorlan]

The PCs just put an indefinite halt on approvals for new harm reduction sites. Does this affect the planned sites in the region?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener...-1.4782132

Unsurprising. The Fords aren’t about reducing harm. It’s just not their thing.

[tomh009]

Apparently not, but we shall have to wait and see.

The Province has not approved any specific sites in the Region, has it?

The announced ban is on new Overdose Prevention Sites (OPS), not on Supervised Consumption Sites (SCS). The proposed sites in Waterloo Region are of the latter variety.

[jeffster]

The PCs just put an indefinite halt on approvals for new harm reduction sites. Does this affect the planned sites in the region?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener...-1.4782132

Unsurprising. The Fords aren’t about reducing harm. It’s just not their thing.

I think numbers are starting to come out of SIS's and it's mostly negative. The article I was reading was about an SIS in Toronto, and the increase in crime in that area, and the need to have law enforcement in place more often.

I'm really not sure where I personally fall on this topic.

I have just enough personal experience with this; in one case, the user died but we brought him back to life (no me personally), and the other time, he took out a co-worker who hasn't been able to return to work, her other co-worker was stabbed in the chest, but luckily the bullet/stab proof best protected him.

I guess the question is, who are we trying to protect more?

The other question is, can this money be spent better elsewhere (namely, mental health). There have been cut-backs on mental health from the mid-2000's (around the time McGuinty came in), perhaps start bringing in other services and education.

At any rate, here is the article that I was talking about:

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/toront...-in-crime/

EDIT: Well, nevermind. Just read the rest and it doesn't seem to apply to SIS's.

[panamaniac]

Ottawa's supervised injection sites are up and running with no particular problem that I'm aware of.

[Bob_McBob]

Unsurprising. The Fords aren’t about reducing harm. It’s just not their thing.

I think numbers are starting to come out of SIS's and it's mostly negative. The article I was reading was about an SIS in Toronto, and the increase in crime in that area, and the need to have law enforcement in place more often.

I'm really not sure where I personally fall on this topic.

I have just enough personal experience with this; in one case, the user died but we brought him back to life (no me personally), and the other time, he took out a co-worker who hasn't been able to return to work, her other co-worker was stabbed in the chest, but luckily the bullet/stab proof best protected him.  

I guess the question is, who are we trying to protect more?

The other question is, can this money be spent better elsewhere (namely, mental health). There have been cut-backs on mental health from the mid-2000's (around the time McGuinty came in), perhaps start bringing in other services and education.

At any rate, here is the article that I was talking about:

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/toront...-in-crime/

EDIT: Well, nevermind. Just read the rest and it doesn't seem to apply to SIS's.

The "86.6% increase" referenced in that article is based entirely on a Ryerson student counting the total number of Ryerson "security incident emails" he received during a three month period in 2017 and 2018. He makes no mention of the actual number of incidents, their severity, the previous year-to-year fluctuation during this period, and most importantly any actual police crime statistics for the area. It's basically meaningless.

[ijmorlan]

Unsurprising. The Fords aren’t about reducing harm. It’s just not their thing.

I think numbers are starting to come out of SIS's and it's mostly negative. The article I was reading was about an SIS in Toronto, and the increase in crime in that area, and the need to have law enforcement in place more often.

I'm really not sure where I personally fall on this topic.

I have just enough personal experience with this; in one case, the user died but we brought him back to life (no me personally), and the other time, he took out a co-worker who hasn't been able to return to work, her other co-worker was stabbed in the chest, but luckily the bullet/stab proof best protected him.  

I guess the question is, who are we trying to protect more?

[…]

Thanks for the personal perspective. I agree that a new program such as supervised injection sites should be monitored carefully, and the impact on the nearby community, and first responders, is a valid concern. My problem is that Ford isn’t cancelling them because, after careful study, they turn out to cause more problems than they solve; he’s cancelling them because he thinks addicts just need harsher police enforcement, and because it’s something the Liberals were doing that he can break.

Pretty much anything good done by the Ontario government under this administration will be either by accident or just something done routinely by individual departments that Ford doesn’t feel a need to override. By contrast the Liberals were incompetent and pusillanimous but were trying to improve the province, and succeeded in some important ways.

[danbrotherston]

There was an article in the record about the temporary SIS site in London, ON.

https://www.therecord.com/news-story/874...tion-site/

Sadly, it didn't go that deeply into statistics around the sites, even crime statistics which should be fairly easy to get.

At the end of the day, I'm generally willing to trust the experts on this. I also agree there *may* be *some* negative effects, but the one thing the article points out, is those effects are not being created by the SIS, at worst, they're being slightly relocated by it. We already have a drug problem.

There are also plenty of folks who think the SIS will *encourage* drug use, but I've seen no evidence whatsoever based on this.

[panamaniac]

The Province has not approved any specific sites in the Region, has it?

The announced ban is on new Overdose Prevention Sites (OPS), not on Supervised Consumption Sites (SCS). The proposed sites in Waterloo Region are of the latter variety.

That distinction is new (and puzzling) to me.  What's the difference?

[tomh009]

The announced ban is on new Overdose Prevention Sites (OPS), not on Supervised Consumption Sites (SCS). The proposed sites in Waterloo Region are of the latter variety.

That distinction is new (and puzzling) to me.  What's the difference?

An OPS is a more lightweight site and does not provide any drugs. A good explanation here:
https://www.stopoverdose.gov.bc.ca/thewe...g-checking

[danbrotherston]

That distinction is new (and puzzling) to me.  What's the difference?

An OPS is a more lightweight site and does not provide any drugs. A good explanation here:
https://www.stopoverdose.gov.bc.ca/thewe...g-checking

I don't believe that SIS's provide drugs either, only related supplies.

[panamaniac]

Seems an odd distinction to make, since the purpose seems exactly the same. Are there some legalities involved when drug paraphenalia is provided as opposed to "BYO"?

[welltoldtales]

Unsurprising. The Fords aren’t about reducing harm. It’s just not their thing.

At any rate, here is the article that I was talking about:

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/toront...-in-crime/

What is this site? It spends half it's time harping on Trudeau and supporting Tommy Robinson. They are also clearly not trying to be objective at all.

Also, SCS unanimously were stopped at Regional Council now until review in September from the province. the Cities are worried the funding will get cut is my guess.