130-142 Victoria Street South | 25 fl | Proposed

[taylortbb]

You can disagree, but I do think she's dumb. A bit of a snake, too, considering she joined the NDP team yet tends to stand in opposition of everything a social democratic party would support.

It's more about being thoughtful with your language. You can think she's dumb, but dismissively saying "that dumb broad" does not reflect well on your opinions towards women in general, and while Chapman likely won't see your comment, other women have and will.

Yeah, exactly. The etymology of broad is terrible.

From Urban Dictionary:

a butchers term for a slab of meat with a hole in it.
men use it to classify women

It's about as objectifying of a term as possible to describe a woman, and added nothing of value to ac3r's comment.

[ac3r]

That's a really good source for linguistics.

For what it's worth, my wife described Chapman that way. An apt description, I'd say.

[taylortbb]

That's a really good source for linguistics.

Whether Urban Dictionary is authoritative about etymology isn't the point, the point is that reflects that how our society commonly uses and perceive words. If it has that definition there, highly upvoted and with multiple submissions, that's what the word is going to end up meaning to the people who read your posts.

If you, and your wife, like to refer to women that way that's your prerogative (though I'd suggest you think hard about your choices). But don't be surprised when other people don't want to listen to you, and your legitimate substantive complaints get lost.

[Kodra24]

I'm baffled that she's representing the NDP. She seems like an archetypical conservative - someone who resists progress at every opportunity. It makes me question my entire history of voting NDP. Have I always been voting for the party of the privileged and delusional? I feel like I've been gaslighted, and I'm seriously considering not voting at all.

The political spectrum isn't so neatly organized. She's NDP because of social issues. I'm sure she flies a pride flag, and would say that immigration is good. She also rejects free market concepts like supply and demand, and believes that house prices are driven by greed rather than scarcity of supply. None of those would make her fit with the Conservatives. That group gets known as the "regressive left", and I think has become most famous from San Francisco politics. They oppose any change that might make anyone money (e.g. housing construction), but are totally for social change (e.g. marriage equality).

I thought conservatives, such as myself, are pro-business and pro-development - it's the Green/NDP parties that are the majority NIMBY activists IMHO

I don't think that one's so clear either. There's a lot of NIMBYism in the Conservative party, from people that want their white picket fence in their pristine suburb, and to keep any sort of development and social services far away. They may have no issue with downtown towers, but suggest a homeless shelter in their neighbourhood and I don't think you'll find the Conservatives are a fan, they'll be quite strongly NIMBY.

I don't think anyone, regardless of party, would want a homeless shelter next to them to be fair

[ijmorlan]

That's a really good source for linguistics.

For what it's worth, my wife described Chapman that way. An apt description, I'd say.

Women can use inappropriate sexist language too.

But I don’t really care and it’s not my concern if they do it in private. If she comes here and makes the same comment, I’ll criticize her too.

[nms]

That's a really good source for linguistics.

For what it's worth, my wife described Chapman that way. An apt description, I'd say.

Women can use inappropriate sexist language too.

But I don’t really care and it’s not my concern if they do it in private. If she comes here and makes the same comment, I’ll criticize her too.

If you would prefer, The Oxford English dictionary takes a different route for 'broad': "slang (originally and chiefly U.S.). A woman. Now dated". Their first recorded used was 1909 in Sporting Life (Philadelphia)

They formerly called women by the name the sex implies, But now they're ‘Broilers’, ‘Broads’, and ‘Chicks’, ‘Fillies’ or even ‘Frys’.

The English major in me is itching to dive further down this rabbit hole (or chicken coop, I guess), but it serves no further purpose in this topic.

[ac3r]

Haha. I can't tell if you lot are trolling or something. You must be, yeah? I mean I don't know who would unironically try to take an honest stance against sexism by clicking the first Urban Dictionary (lol, lmao even) definition that comes up on Google and acting like it is a valid linguistic and etymological definition of a word and going on the offence with that. Just for that I have to assume you're just taking the piss since I believe you're all fairly grown up here and know that this is not how things work.

In order to see "a butchers term for a slab of meat with a hole in it" as your definition of woman it takes a couple scrolls down on UD, so by associating broad/women/a butchers term for a slab of meat with a hole in it as one in the same I think that says a lot more about others than it does about me as you need to specifically seek out what I assume you believe to be the worst "definition".

To me and I think 99% of others who use that word these days, the word broad is like the word dick. It's just a word that gets thrown around when you want to make a point. Additionally, they (amongst countless others) are words that get thrown around by...well...everyone. You ever go to a bar in a working class area? Go visit some in the industrial areas of Cambridge, or the Hamilton docklands. There are no safe spaces to retreat to, mind you. Now unless your shoe size exceeds your IQ I don't truly believe any of you actually assumed you thought I was trying to make a hateful jab at women by using it. If I call someone a dickhead it isn't because I'm a misandrist. It's just a word you use to emphasize a point. In this case: that Debbie Chapman is a useless fool.

Even though this isn't Reddit and there aren't updoots, some do feel compelled to tip the fedora, I guess, but I'd rather just try to talk about buildings and urban things. Otherwise, click UserCP and navigate to Buddy/Ignore List. Or just grow up a bit and learn to not take words you read on a screen so seriously, so you don't derail threads over nothing. :^)

[ijmorlan]

Haha. I can't tell if you lot are trolling or something.

And the rest of us often can’t tell if you are trolling, not so much in this specific discussion but elsewhere.

It's just a word you use to emphasize a point. In this case: that Debbie Chapman is a useless fool.

If that’s what you want to say, say it like that without using the sexist slur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqeatUvRu68

[CP42]

Now that this is approved, I wonder when they’ll start marketing/sales. 

Has anyone seen anything from a marketing perspective on this one?

[ZEBuilder]

Now that this is approved, I wonder when they’ll start marketing/sales. 

Has anyone seen anything from a marketing perspective on this one?

In the committee meeting the other day they said this is going to be rentals at first, with the potential to be converted to a condo in the future, but currently the owners are planning on rental.

[CP42]

Now that this is approved, I wonder when they’ll start marketing/sales. 

Has anyone seen anything from a marketing perspective on this one?

In the committee meeting the other day they said this is going to be rentals at first, with the potential to be converted to a condo in the future, but currently the owners are planning on rental.

Oh that’s great. Perhaps they can get started earlier then.

[MacBerry]

I'm baffled that she's representing the NDP. She seems like an archetypical conservative - someone who resists progress at every opportunity. It makes me question my entire history of voting NDP. Have I always been voting for the party of the privileged and delusional? I feel like I've been gaslighted, and I'm seriously considering not voting at all.

I think she’s emblematic of the kind of people that rise to the top in the modern NDP, and the source of their demise with “normal” people. Conservatives would call them champagne socialists, if the term still makes sense in 2023. Or just NIMBYs.

Those folks are all far far left Canadian Bolsheviks.

[MacBerry]

Women can use inappropriate sexist language too.

But I don’t really care and it’s not my concern if they do it in private. If she comes here and makes the same comment, I’ll criticize her too.

If you would prefer, The Oxford English dictionary takes a different route for 'broad': "slang (originally and chiefly U.S.). A woman. Now dated". Their first recorded used was 1909 in Sporting Life (Philadelphia)

They formerly called women by the name the sex implies, But now they're ‘Broilers’, ‘Broads’, and ‘Chicks’, ‘Fillies’ or even ‘Frys’.

The English major in me is itching to dive further down this rabbit hole (or chicken coop, I guess), but it serves no further purpose in this topic.

The language police are now here at the loss of the topic.

[Joedelay Highhoe]

I think she’s emblematic of the kind of people that rise to the top in the modern NDP, and the source of their demise with “normal” people. Conservatives would call them champagne socialists, if the term still makes sense in 2023. Or just NIMBYs.

Those folks are all far far left Canadian Bolsheviks.

Except the Bolsheviks were largely young, very poor, and had a damn good reason to overthrow the Tsar. Debbie is none of those things and has every reason to maintain the status quo.