130-142 Victoria Street South | 25 fl | Proposed

[ac3r]

Did they give up on this development?  I saw today the house beside the pharmacy is getting renovated.

Not sure because it's still an active application and they did resubmit an updated application in June. But with the pace we operate in this region, even if it's still planned it could be so far off that the house is worth fixing up for now.

Edit: Actually it appears this project doesn't sit on the property the house belongs on. The Victoria & Park project does, though...but who knows what's happening with that one. Dov Capital won in the OLT ruling but nobody has heard anything since.

[Square]

I'm talking about 138 Victoria Street South, the house beside the pharmacy the new building they just fixed.

[ZEBuilder]

This is going to council on the 18th. City staff are recommending approval. The public comments are the usual from the VPNA about being too tall, not enough parking, etc.

[ZEBuilder]

This has been approved at the Planning and Strategic Initiatives Committee meeting tonight, it now has to go to final approval at the next council meeting. There weren't many complaints the only one was really councillor Chapman who kept on going on and on about the heritage report.

[ac3r]

Haha. That dumb broad couldn't tell you the first thing about architectural or cultural heritage, it's just an easy objection to raise. Chapman is contrarian because she's too stupid to hold her own convictions. Council could take a vote on whether or not ice cream is good or bad and she'd probably say bad.

[bravado]

Haha. That dumb broad couldn't tell you the first thing about architectural or cultural heritage, it's just an easy objection to raise. Chapman is contrarian because she's too stupid to hold her own convictions. Council could take a vote on whether or not ice cream is good or bad and she'd probably say bad.

Unless it was the ice cream from her childhood, since the only purpose of council in these people's eyes is to preserve the 'good', which is by definition what they grew up with - be it a parking lot, SFH, or unsustainably low taxes.

[panamaniac]

Haha. That dumb broad couldn't tell you the first thing about architectural or cultural heritage, it's just an easy objection to raise. Chapman is contrarian because she's too stupid to hold her own convictions. Council could take a vote on whether or not ice cream is good or bad and she'd probably say bad.

Just don't.

[ac3r]

You can disagree, but I do think she's dumb. A bit of a snake, too, considering she joined the NDP team yet tends to stand in opposition of everything a social democratic party would support.

[Joedelay Highhoe]

I'm baffled that she's representing the NDP. She seems like an archetypical conservative - someone who resists progress at every opportunity. It makes me question my entire history of voting NDP. Have I always been voting for the party of the privileged and delusional? I feel like I've been gaslighted, and I'm seriously considering not voting at all.

[Kodra24]

I'm baffled that she's representing the NDP. She seems like an archetypical conservative - someone who resists progress at every opportunity. It makes me question my entire history of voting NDP. Have I always been voting for the party of the privileged and delusional? I feel like I've been gaslighted, and I'm seriously considering not voting at all.

I thought conservatives, such as myself, are pro-business and pro-development - it's the Green/NDP parties that are the majority NIMBY activists IMHO

[bravado]

I'm baffled that she's representing the NDP. She seems like an archetypical conservative - someone who resists progress at every opportunity. It makes me question my entire history of voting NDP. Have I always been voting for the party of the privileged and delusional? I feel like I've been gaslighted, and I'm seriously considering not voting at all.

I think she’s emblematic of the kind of people that rise to the top in the modern NDP, and the source of their demise with “normal” people. Conservatives would call them champagne socialists, if the term still makes sense in 2023. Or just NIMBYs.

[ac3r]

Exactly. Chapman and many other politicians in the ranks of the NDP are champagne socialists. People like her, Jagmeet Singh, Marit Stiles and Andrea Horwath didn't spent their life getting their hands dirty at work while fighting for labour and political reform in their free time. They came from affluent, privileged middle class families which allowed them to study in universities and enter the elite political world.

Ultimately she's a career politician, the type that only wants to rise up the ranks of the political hierarchy for her own gain. I see this move to run as NDP as her being an opportunist. Another step to stand on in her career. After watching her actions on council for 15 years I can confidently conclude she is the antithesis of what I expect NDP values to be about, at least at the grassroots level. The party itself isn't all that different from the rest of the big tent parties in Ontario/Canada unfortunately.

[SF22]

You can disagree, but I do think she's dumb. A bit of a snake, too, considering she joined the NDP team yet tends to stand in opposition of everything a social democratic party would support.

It's more about being thoughtful with your language. You can think she's dumb, but dismissively saying "that dumb broad" does not reflect well on your opinions towards women in general, and while Chapman likely won't see your comment, other women have and will.

[ijmorlan]

Haha. That dumb broad couldn't tell you the first thing about architectural or cultural heritage, it's just an easy objection to raise. Chapman is contrarian because she's too stupid to hold her own convictions. Council could take a vote on whether or not ice cream is good or bad and she'd probably say bad.

Just don't.

This deserves to be emphasized. What kind of idiot thinks it’s OK to refer to someone as a “dumb broad”? If she’s wrong, it has nothing to do with her being a woman. What if I were to call ac3r a drunken Indian for making this comment?

(note, for those with poor reading comprehension, if any: I’m not calling him that and would never ever under any circumstances call anybody that; I’m asking the rhetorical question of what it would mean if I did)

[taylortbb]

I'm baffled that she's representing the NDP. She seems like an archetypical conservative - someone who resists progress at every opportunity. It makes me question my entire history of voting NDP. Have I always been voting for the party of the privileged and delusional? I feel like I've been gaslighted, and I'm seriously considering not voting at all.

The political spectrum isn't so neatly organized. She's NDP because of social issues. I'm sure she flies a pride flag, and would say that immigration is good. She also rejects free market concepts like supply and demand, and believes that house prices are driven by greed rather than scarcity of supply. None of those would make her fit with the Conservatives. That group gets known as the "regressive left", and I think has become most famous from San Francisco politics. They oppose any change that might make anyone money (e.g. housing construction), but are totally for social change (e.g. marriage equality).

I'm baffled that she's representing the NDP. She seems like an archetypical conservative - someone who resists progress at every opportunity. It makes me question my entire history of voting NDP. Have I always been voting for the party of the privileged and delusional? I feel like I've been gaslighted, and I'm seriously considering not voting at all.

I thought conservatives, such as myself, are pro-business and pro-development - it's the Green/NDP parties that are the majority NIMBY activists IMHO

I don't think that one's so clear either. There's a lot of NIMBYism in the Conservative party, from people that want their white picket fence in their pristine suburb, and to keep any sort of development and social services far away. They may have no issue with downtown towers, but suggest a homeless shelter in their neighbourhood and I don't think you'll find the Conservatives are a fan, they'll be quite strongly NIMBY.