09-12-2021, 07:34 PM
(09-12-2021, 12:50 PM)jeffster Wrote:(09-12-2021, 12:11 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: My understanding is that children can act as links in a transmission chain. The goal of vaccination is to make our country an inhospitable environment for the virus. This is done by vaccinating everybody, or at least everybody who spends significant time with others.
Again, vaccination is not really an individual decision, but a societal one. This is why vaccination requirements are appropriate: if the society as a whole decides, through our democratic institutions, that we are to end the pandemic through vaccination, and if the safety and effectiveness of that decision is supported by solid scientific research, then those who disagree have the right to protest the decision but not to stop it.
The same is true of any of our laws. We all have to stop at traffic lights, whether or not we think traffic lights are an appropriate way of controlling traffic. We all have to wear clothes, even though not doing so doesn’t really harm anybody else. And so on.
Unsure of false equivalencies, but you’re not wrong about what you said.
The reason for vaccinating children is NOT to protect them, but rather to protect old people like myself, and you, and probably 98% of people here. And I did bring that out several times. But others keep saying this is about protecting younglings, when it really isn’t.
Right, it’s to protect everybody, including the kids, by dramatically reducing virus transmission. Remember, this is contagious, so any intuition you might have about appropriate response to risk that you might apply to driving or heart disease or knife injuries will be completely wrong.
Quote:Do I take exception to this? I sort of do. Of they (PHAC, PHU’s) are telling use the the vaccine is effective at preventing serious illness (and for the most part, it’s pretty good), then we shouldn’t potentially risk children’s health.
How many times have we been given this shot or that shot, then it had to stop, because of negative outcomes? I was one of those, PHU recommended against getting my second AZ, so Moderna. Trip canceled because agency didn’t accept mixed doses. It is what it is. Teens were getting Moderna, then this stopped, due to negative side effects. Those over a certain age told not to get AZ, after it was approved for that age group.
Right, in other words, the medical people are being very careful with the vaccines; when even minor amounts of side effects are noted, they suspend the vaccine in question and investigate more fully.
Quote:Yet, despite the constant changes we see, monthly or weekly, regarding what shot we should be taking, there are too many here willing to jump to the opportunity to vaccinate the youngest. Will THAT outcome be different? Will we make changes after the fact, like we have several times already?
“Jump to the opportunity”? What are you talking about? Adults and teens have been eligible for months, and there are still at least weeks to go before approval for younger children occurs. We want children to be vaccinated as soon as the scientific evidence confirms that it will be safe and effective.
Quote:And again, we have zero idea of the long term effects on the youngest, who are still developing.
I’m pretty sure immunologists have a pretty good idea of what the long term effects could be, certainly more than “zero idea”. Not all outcomes are reasonable things to worry about.