The COVID-19 pandemic

[jeffster]

No more lockdowns. Children are very low risk of hospitalizations. Use vaccine passport for everything else, plus masks.

I imagine at some point we're getting 3rd shots as well.

Plenty of adults are not vaccinated, Alberta is cancelling non-emergency surgeries.

No...there'll be more lockdowns. There didn't have to be, but there will be.

By the way, choosing to infect our children with a dangerous disease with unknown long term consequences, where some will still die, is not something I'm okay with, but I'm disturbed to learn that a lot of people are surprisingly okay with killing some children.

What is frustrating me to no end is that if we did as you suggest, broadly applied vaccine mandates, and ubiquitous masking, (as well as good precautions in schools), we'd avoid this easily. But we aren't doing that.

Good grief Dan, that is ignorant as hell. There are plenty more things more dangerous to children than covid-19, and I don't see anyone here saying anything about it. But clearly YOU'RE willing to risk a child's health with a vaccine that might be more risky than the disease itself. Only reason why they even vaccinated youngsters is to protect old people like you, not the other way round.

For reference: 16 children (and young adults), ages 0-19 have died of covid-19 in Canada. This is versus 26,739 for all other age groups (combined) -- in Canada.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228...da-by-age/

In the USA, they have had 486 deaths (0-18) out of 643,857 (total).

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-CO.../nr4s-juj3

Estimated death rate for vaccination is 0.00002 (US stats), so based on 73,000,000 children, that works out to 1,460 possible deaths. This excludes any other health issues (like myocarditis and pericarditis) which mostly affect the young (which is why Moderna was shelved for 18 and under). Likely very similar rate for unvaccinated.

So who is the government trying to save by vaccinating children? It's not the kids. They are, and so far have been, extremely low risk. They're only doing this to save old people like yourself.

We, though, as society have no idea of long term consequences of the vaccines, especially mRNA, since they are still a relatively new type (again, why they are not yet approved for younglings yet).

Is it worth the risk of vaccinating them?

Put it a different way: if Covid-19 was as serious of health threat to those over 20 as it is to those under 20; guess what Dan, we're not having this conversation because it wouldn't even make it into a medical journal. The risk simply isn't there.

I bolded this because it's important: If the old were affected the same as the young, we might have had 50 or 60 deaths in Canada the past 18 months, and maybe 1,500 in the USA. This isn't making the news anywhere.

I am glad I am not making that call. I am also glad I don't have young children anymore. Because I would hate for something to happen to them, vaccine related, when their risk of serious illness is very low and death rate is about 0.000057 (16 out of 279,000 -- how many were sick (asymptomatic) and untested is likely significantly higher by maybe 2 or 3 times).

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-...cases.html

Lockdowns, btw, we're in Ontario, not Alberta. Not happening again. No need when you have vaccine passports for the vaccinated. Unless you're suggesting that vaccines don't work well enough. Unless you're suggesting masks are useless.

I mean, I agree that vaccines aren't 100% effective, but at this point, with vaccine passports for most places of businesses (the ones that are usually locked down), there shouldn't be a need to lock down further unless government doesn't believe in the science they've been telling us either.

While most of you folks know that I am not an anti-vaxxer, but y'all also aware that I also believe we need a better vaccine. That said, if science is telling us that vaccines are effective enough at preventing serious illness, I would like a solid explanation from someone (especially Dan), why a further lock-down might be needed if vaccinated people are hanging out with vaccinated people (which is what the passport is supposed to allow to do).

Do some research.