The COVID-19 pandemic

[jeffster]

I totally get your anger. However, we're not going to beat Covid-19 -- not at least until we get an effective vaccine. It doesn't even matter if you gotten covid-19 before, your shots, you can still get it again. At best, we can control it and minimize hospital admissions.

It really is what it is. A little more honesty from PHAC from the get go, regarding vaccination numbers, would have been helpful. Even if they simply said "we don't know if reaching 70% or 80% -- or even 100% vaccination rates, will stop Covid..." Rather. they created goalposts, then moved them again and again. And that give many anti-vaxxers the ammunition that they should have never gotten.

This is the second time you've made this unsubstantiated and broadly false claim. The vaccine is extremely effective, "getting COVID" is not created equal. If you are vaccinated you are orders of magnitude less likely to be infected, and if you are infected, you are orders of magnitude less likely to go to the hospital. I'd say something which achieves two orders of magnitude in both categories is "effective".  Even with things like the Delta variant these numbers hold.  We consider the flu vaccine to be effective, and it doesn't achieve numbers near the COVID vaccine.

But we've already explained this, why do you continue to repeat this?

Given that we have not even hit the lowest number you have mentioned (we are only at 67% fully vaccinated) and I've never heard 70%...the lowest I've ever heard was 75%, I don't really agree with the second paragraph either.

First, it's not a false claim. People are still getting sick, even if vaccinated. They are still being hospitalized, with the vaccine. They are still dying, with the vaccine. Yes, I get it they offer you protection compared to being unvaccinated, but it's not nearly effective enough.

They are not effective as they need them to be for us to move on. The flu vaccine itself is hardly effective (something like 50%). Effective vaccines are vaccines that are made for measles, polio, tetanus, etc. Diseases that have been wiped from the face of the earth, for the most part. But even if we had 100% vaccinated, this disease is still going to carry on, UNLESS, we get a better vaccine.

I'm not OK with being happy with what we got. I am not happy that we're going to need to be vaccinated with the same shot again and again, and again. PHAC doesn't seem to want to say that this is needed, but Israel and the USA have either gone ahead with this or are about it.

Perhaps do a little research first, Dan, before spewing BS. Here are a few good links to get a start:

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

https://www.politico.eu/article/biontech...ime-study/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/s...ccine.html

https://www.statista.com/statistics/7864...in-canada/

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/s...ccine.html

https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/immuniz...index.html

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-td...index.html

Please, show you're research that our current vaccine is good enough for us to get over Covid, just like we got over the above diseases. I'll wait.