06-28-2021, 12:52 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-28-2021, 01:04 PM by danbrotherston.)
(06-28-2021, 10:53 AM)ac3r Wrote: A tunnel is a terrible idea. Doesn't matter how many lights you stick in there, people always feel unsafe inside of them. It's a private developer so the cost doesn't matter, they can spend what they want on it.
I have no care of cost...I want the best experience. Bridges are not free from social safety issues. A narrow 3 meter wide bridge that is over 1/4 of a KM long has issues as well. The reason I am suggesting a tunnel is because I believe it can provide a better experience for users, given the apparently massive 1/4 km long bridge that would be required here.
As for tunnels, yes, there is no tunnel in the region which isn't terrible, but there are plenty of designs in the rest of the world that do not have those issues if we are willing to invest in them.
(For the record, a tiny, dark, dangerous looking culvert tunnel as we have used in this region would be dirt cheap to build, I hope that is not in question).
Edit:
Some sources. Leaving aside the Rijksmuseum tunnel, and the Amsterdam Centraal station tunnel, both of which are very pleasant and provide excellent social safety, but differ in context from where the tunnel would be. Instead, this underpass in Utrecht is a pretty reasonable comparison, I think: https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2020/...n-utrecht/
Features which make it feel safe:
- Wide enough that you can see the other side from the entrance (which is possible given each of the underpasses would be only 15m long).
- Walls are canted outwards so that the space feels less enclosed.
- And as you mentioned, well lit and with aesthetic features.