01-27-2021, 09:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-27-2021, 09:27 PM by danbrotherston.)
(01-27-2021, 09:01 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(01-27-2021, 05:08 PM)Rainrider22 Wrote: Actually they cant do it in parallel. That is not the way it works. The requesting country has to do up their own warrants and follow their process. Then the order is forwarded through their own Attorney General. After approval from their Attorney General, the Order goes to the Country detaining the prisoner, or subject of the arrest warrant. Once received by this Country, there is a hearing process that occurs that is applicable with the detaining country. Once a decision is rendered, the detained person may apply for appeal depending on the country.
Once that all is done, then there are further discussions with respect to the action plan... It is very long and drawn out. Put COVID in the mix, and you have even more delays now....
My point is, I don’t care about any of that. Two years is longer than long enough. Remember, both Canada and the US theoretically have “innocent until proven guilty”. Two years is way too long to keep a legally innocent person or jail (or even under house arrest), and if justice is to be served then all the various agencies, offices, and people involved simply have to work within a much shorter time limit. Any argument that it’s totally OK for it to take this long is just biffle-baffle.
Note: I’m still interested in explanations of why it takes so long, but find it nearly inconceivable that any such explanation could actually justify the length of time, as an ethical or moral matter.
Although in this case as I mentioned I have an idea that the defendant is dragging things out, but unfortunately I can’t point to a source for that information so it’s not exactly conclusive.
If you think that's too long for an innocent person to be kept under some form of restriction as a result of pending legal actions, I've got news for you about the average time people spend in that situation. And yes, it is terrible, we should improve our criminal justice system. Ironically, I suspect, although do not have actual data, that wealthy people probably spend more time in this limbo because they have the resources to delay and defer trials, is always a detriment to whomever must meet a burden of proof to have a trial deferred.
That being said, this is clearly not a normal situation, and clearly has implications for our foreign policy. It should have been made a priority to deal with it as fast as possible. Every hearing scheduled at soon as legally permissable, every legal filing happening in the minimum amount of time feasible, etc. etc. And I just do not see that happening.
On the issue of innocent people being punished, Kalief Browder is the tragic story of an innocent (he is ABSOLUTELY innocent, in the legal sense, no charges were EVER proved against him, and almost certainly in the moral sense, it seems likely he didn't commit any bad acts) teenager (he was arrested at age 16) who was imprisoned by the state of new york for 3 years, who eventually, after his release committed suicide almost certainly directly as a result of the state of new york stealing his childhood.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyreg...icide.html
It is a really horrifying story.