The COVID-19 pandemic

[tomh009]

"their" meaning the vaccine task force at the provincial level.

According to reporting, Hillier repeatedly said they weren't getting enough vaccines from the federal government, but they've only distributed 1/3rd of the vaccines they have received.

I've said it other places, but no wonder conservatives hate government so much, they have the most incompetent most corrupt governments, so of course they would have no faith in government.

It's a Federal issue, not provincial.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ontario-runnin...-1.5255440

General Hillier admitted (my gawd) to the errors they made in holding back, back in December, but the issue is that we are running out vaccine. Meanwhile, Israel is on track to vaccinating their entire population by the end of January.

Meanwhile, all Canadians have to pound sand for at least another 6 months because the Federal government has no ability to procure the vaccine in a timely fashion.

As I understand, the feds are distributing all the vaccines they have been able to secure from Pfizer and Moderna. And according to the two companies' execs, Canada is near the front of the line (yes, Israel was even quicker).

All Canadians need to wait six months or more?

[plam]

K-W was clearly naughty over the holidays ...

Lockdowns don't work. And the more you lockdown, the worse it gets. Quebec and California are good examples.

Short hard lockdowns really work, especially if you don't have wishy washy going-to-work exceptions. Australia locked down for 3 months but you could go to work. NZ locked down between 26 March and 27 April at level 4 (max lockdown, truly essential work only) and from 28 April to 14 May at level 3 (mostly locked down). That's 7 weeks. Atlantic Canada is also a good example.

Quebec and California haven't actually been locked down.

[danbrotherston]

K-W was clearly naughty over the holidays ...

Lockdowns don't work. And the more you lockdown, the worse it gets. Quebec and California are good examples.

"lockdowns don't work"...

I'm not even going to bother addressing this. How do you think the virus transmits without people interacting?

If we aren't seeing results, it's because we aren't locked down.

[danbrotherston]

"their" meaning the vaccine task force at the provincial level.

According to reporting, Hillier repeatedly said they weren't getting enough vaccines from the federal government, but they've only distributed 1/3rd of the vaccines they have received.

I've said it other places, but no wonder conservatives hate government so much, they have the most incompetent most corrupt governments, so of course they would have no faith in government.

It's a Federal issue, not provincial.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ontario-runnin...-1.5255440

General Hillier admitted (my gawd) to the errors they made in holding back, back in December, but the issue is that we are running out vaccine. Meanwhile, Israel is on track to vaccinating their entire population by the end of January.

Meanwhile, all Canadians have to pound sand for at least another 6 months because the Federal government has no ability to procure the vaccine in a timely fashion.

I am well aware of General Hillier blaming others...but we are not "running out"...we've distributed less than 50% of the vaccines we have received....that's not running out...

Israel has nothing to do with this.

We were one of the first handfuls of countries to have people vaccinated, so I'd hardly say we haven't procured a vaccine in a timely fashion. I would like to see a public schedule of procurements, but ultimately, no matter if you feel the federal government hasn't done well, the province is not distributing what they do have.

[tomh009]

It's a Federal issue, not provincial.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ontario-runnin...-1.5255440

General Hillier admitted (my gawd) to the errors they made in holding back, back in December, but the issue is that we are running out vaccine. Meanwhile, Israel is on track to vaccinating their entire population by the end of January.

Meanwhile, all Canadians have to pound sand for at least another 6 months because the Federal government has no ability to procure the vaccine in a timely fashion.

From the article you linked: "1.2 million additional vaccine doses are expected to arrive in Canada this month. " That'll be roughly 500K doses for Ontario. According to the article, Ontario is vaccinating 10,000 people a day. So, assuming they work at full pace through the weekends, Ontario will need to speed up the vaccination rate by about 60% in order to keep up with the deliveries into the province.

[taylortbb]

It's a Federal issue, not provincial.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ontario-runnin...-1.5255440

General Hillier admitted (my gawd) to the errors they made in holding back, back in December, but the issue is that we are running out vaccine. Meanwhile, Israel is on track to vaccinating their entire population by the end of January.

Meanwhile, all Canadians have to pound sand for at least another 6 months because the Federal government has no ability to procure the vaccine in a timely fashion.

From the article you linked: "1.2 million additional vaccine doses are expected to arrive in Canada this month. " That'll be roughly 500K doses for Ontario. According to the article, Ontario is vaccinating 10,000 people a day. So, assuming they work at full pace through the weekends, Ontario will need to speed up the vaccination rate by about 60% in order to keep up with the deliveries into the province.

Additionally, our ability to inject vaccines is a huge factor in our ability to get more. Pfizer and Moderna don't want to ship vaccines that are just going to sit in freezers, they want to send them to places that will inject them. If we were injecting them faster than they were shipping them, it would be much easier for the federal government to make the case that we should be receiving more. As long as we've injected under half of our supply, we're not going to be a priority to receive more.

Israel announced last night they have convinced Pfizer to send them enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone 16+ by March, https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel...ive-654672 . That puts them 3 months ahead of the US's claims, and 6 months ahead of Canada's claims. Their extremely rapid and effective rollout has to be a huge factor in why.

[tomh009]

FRIDAY 2021-01-08

Waterloo Region reported 141 new cases today (15.7% of the active cases); 980 new cases for the week (+114), averaging 19.2% of active cases. 947 active cases, +364 in the last seven days.

Ontario reported 4,249 new cases today -- that includes 450 cases not reported in Toronto for the past two days -- with a seven-day average of 3,354 (+253). 2,738 recoveries and 26 deaths translated to an increase of 1,035 active cases (excluding the 450 for the past two days) and a new total of 28,203. +6,621 active cases for the week and 301 deaths (43 per day). 71,481 tests for a positivity rate of 5.31%. The positivity rate is averaging 6.65% for the past seven days, compared to 5.38% for the preceding seven.

369 patients in ICU (+6), and a total of 1446 hospital beds in use (+186 for the week).

• 691 cases in Peel: 50.0 per 100K
  
• 213 cases in Niagara: 47.6 per 100K
  
• 184 cases in Windsor-Essex: 47.3 per 100K
  
• 56 cases in Lambton: 42.7 per 100K
  
• 427 cases in York: 38.5 per 100K
  
• 932 cases in Toronto: 31.8 per 100K (excludes the two prior days' excess cases)
  
• 31 cases in Huron Perth: 31.6 per 100K
  
• 85 cases in Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph: 31.3 per 100K
  
• 176 cases in Hamilton: 30.4 per 100K
  
• 41 cases in Brant: 30.1 per 100K
  
• 170 cases in Durham: 26.3 per 100K
  
• 134 cases in Halton: 24.4 per 100K
  
• 147 cases in Waterloo: 23.8 per 100K (based on provincial reporting)
  
• 45 cases in Eastern Ontario: 22.2 per 100K
  
• 40 cases in Southwestern Ontario: 20.0 per 100K
  
• 154 cases in Ottawa: 15.5 per 100K
  
• 75 cases in Simcoe-Muskoka: 13.9 per 100K
  
• 53 cases in Middlesex-London: 13.1 per 100K
  
• 10 cases in Chatham-Kent: 9.4 per 100K
  
• 12 cases in Kingston Frontenac: 5.9 per 100K
  
• 8 cases in Thunder Bay: 5.3 per 100K
  
• 7 cases in Leeds, Grenville & Lanark: 4.1 per 100K
  

[Rainrider22]

From the article you linked: "1.2 million additional vaccine doses are expected to arrive in Canada this month. " That'll be roughly 500K doses for Ontario. According to the article, Ontario is vaccinating 10,000 people a day. So, assuming they work at full pace through the weekends, Ontario will need to speed up the vaccination rate by about 60% in order to keep up with the deliveries into the province.

Additionally, our ability to inject vaccines is a huge factor in our ability to get more. Pfizer and Moderna don't want to ship vaccines that are just going to sit in freezers, they want to send them to places that will inject them. If we were injecting them faster than they were shipping them, it would be much easier for the federal government to make the case that we should be receiving more. As long as we've injected under half of our supply, we're not going to be a priority to receive more.

Israel announced last night they have convinced Pfizer to send them enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone 16+ by March, https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel...ive-654672 . That puts them 3 months ahead of the US's claims, and 6 months ahead of Canada's claims. Their extremely rapid and effective rollout has to be a huge factor in why.

They are also a much smaller country to logistically get the vaccine to people....

[danbrotherston]

Additionally, our ability to inject vaccines is a huge factor in our ability to get more. Pfizer and Moderna don't want to ship vaccines that are just going to sit in freezers, they want to send them to places that will inject them. If we were injecting them faster than they were shipping them, it would be much easier for the federal government to make the case that we should be receiving more. As long as we've injected under half of our supply, we're not going to be a priority to receive more.

Israel announced last night they have convinced Pfizer to send them enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone 16+ by March, https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel...ive-654672 . That puts them 3 months ahead of the US's claims, and 6 months ahead of Canada's claims. Their extremely rapid and effective rollout has to be a huge factor in why.

They are also a much smaller country to logistically get the vaccine to people....

The vast VAST majority of our population lives in a very small area. This is a common excuse I hear about Canada and it carries no weight. There are challenges to getting it to every Canadian, but those challenges don't apply to getting to the vast majority of our population.

[taylortbb]

Additionally, our ability to inject vaccines is a huge factor in our ability to get more. Pfizer and Moderna don't want to ship vaccines that are just going to sit in freezers, they want to send them to places that will inject them. If we were injecting them faster than they were shipping them, it would be much easier for the federal government to make the case that we should be receiving more. As long as we've injected under half of our supply, we're not going to be a priority to receive more.

Israel announced last night they have convinced Pfizer to send them enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone 16+ by March, https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel...ive-654672 . That puts them 3 months ahead of the US's claims, and 6 months ahead of Canada's claims. Their extremely rapid and effective rollout has to be a huge factor in why.

They are also a much smaller country to logistically get the vaccine to people....

Pfizer delivers the vaccine to Canada by shipping it via UPS directly to our hospitals. It's in boxes packed with dry ice, so it doesn't travel through a special cold chain, just a regular UPS package. That doesn't work for delivering the vaccine to the territories, but it's a laughable excuse for the 95% of the Canadian population that lives in or close to urban areas. Anywhere that Amazon can provide prime shipping to, which includes most small towns, the logistics aren't the reason we're not getting the vaccines.

[ac3r]

Israel is also not willing to provide vaccinations to the Palestinians despite occupying Gaza and West Bank, so there's that...

[Bjays93]

Israel is also not willing to provide vaccinations to the Palestinians despite occupying Gaza and West Bank, so there's that...

This simply isnt true. Israel knows people in Gaza and West Bank need to be vaccinated for any type of immunity to be achieved. There was a article from the Jerusalem post just the other day about how Isreal was using backdoor channels to send vaccines to Palestine. It simply cant be public because Isreal and Hamas working together is an absolute no no. 

That's basic politics

[danbrotherston]

Israel is also not willing to provide vaccinations to the Palestinians despite occupying Gaza and West Bank, so there's that...

This simply isnt true. Israel knows people in Gaza and West Bank need to be vaccinated for any type of immunity to be achieved. There was a article from the Jerusalem post just the other day about how Isreal was using backdoor channels to send vaccines to Palestine. It simply cant be public because Isreal and Hamas working together is an absolute no no. 

That's basic politics

*Rolls eyes* the very fact that withholding vaccines from certain people is politically positive for some people is fundamental the problem with our society. 

But frankly I completely believe they would simply withhold the vaccine.

[ac3r]

Israel is also not willing to provide vaccinations to the Palestinians despite occupying Gaza and West Bank, so there's that...

This simply isnt true. Israel knows people in Gaza and West Bank need to be vaccinated for any type of immunity to be achieved. There was a article from the Jerusalem post just the other day about how Isreal was using backdoor channels to send vaccines to Palestine. It simply cant be public because Isreal and Hamas working together is an absolute no no. 

That's basic politics

It is true, though. You're correct that Israel agreed to help Palestine out with 3-4 million doses, but they are still having severe problems sourcing more and Israel - an apartheid state that vehemently hates Palestinians - is hardly eager to help...

Palestinians excluded from Israeli Covid vaccine rollout as jabs go to settlers: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/j...o-settlers
Palestinians left waiting as Israel is set to deploy COVID-19 vaccine: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/pale...19-vaccine
As Israel Leads In COVID-19 Vaccines Per Capita, Palestinians Still Await Shots: https://www.npr.org/2020/12/31/952364150...wait-shots

Further, they've been having to secure Gam-COVID-Vac through the Russian government since they've received so little help from western nations: https://tass.com/world/1234373

[jeffster]

It's a Federal issue, not provincial.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ontario-runnin...-1.5255440

General Hillier admitted (my gawd) to the errors they made in holding back, back in December, but the issue is that we are running out vaccine. Meanwhile, Israel is on track to vaccinating their entire population by the end of January.

Meanwhile, all Canadians have to pound sand for at least another 6 months because the Federal government has no ability to procure the vaccine in a timely fashion.

As I understand, the feds are distributing all the vaccines they have been able to secure from Pfizer and Moderna. And according to the two companies' execs, Canada is near the front of the line (yes, Israel was even quicker).

All Canadians need to wait six months or more?

There are a lot of countries ahead of Canada besides US, UK and Israel.

Others are: United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Denmark, Iceland, Slovenia, Italy, Lithuania and Estonia.

A real problem all the provinces have is that they have no idea how much of the existed vaccine they should hold back for second doses, as the Federal government didn't procure shipments of vaccine for certain dates. Ontario, is throwing caution into the wind by using all existing supply, but it might mean that those who received their first dose may not get their second dose in time.

"All Canadians" means those that are not vulnerable and not front line workers (as in, LTC workers, healthcare and likely first responders as well). I am hearing end of June at the earliest, but quite possible 4th quarter of 2021 (October).

This also means we could be in lockdown for another year.

My suggestion would be for the provinces to get together and spend the money to s build a plant that can create vaccines. My guess is that now this covid-19 is around, and is starting to mutate, it's not going anywhere anytime soon. As since the Federal government has zero desire to create their own solution, leave it to the provinces.

I had mentioned how well Israel had done regarding their vaccine program. Someone told me that was because Israel itself we making the vaccine. But this actually isn't true. What Israel did differently than Canada was promise a smooth and efficient rollout of the vaccine. The idea was since they have public healthcare (like Canada) the pharmaceuticals could use Israel as a template for the rest of the world. The Liberal government didn't want to do this, they wanted to see how the vaccine worked in other countries first, before approving use here. And this is why further down the line that places like Israel, the UK, the USA and those other countries that I mentioned.