(01-06-2025, 09:22 PM)panamaniac Wrote:

(01-06-2025, 08:14 PM)KevinL Wrote: There's a remote outside chance the new Liberal leader convinces the NDP to prop them up, but it is unlikely.

After Singh's comments today, it would seem virtually impossible

(01-06-2025, 09:46 PM)tomh009 Wrote:

(01-06-2025, 09:22 PM)panamaniac Wrote: After Singh's comments today, it would seem virtually impossible

At the moment, the NDP is actually in a pretty weak position. If the election were held today they would win more seats than the Liberals but the Conservatives would claim a strong majority, basically eliminating the influence the NDP has held over the minority Liberal government.

(01-06-2025, 10:26 PM)panamaniac Wrote:

(01-06-2025, 09:46 PM)tomh009 Wrote: At the moment, the NDP is actually in a pretty weak position. If the election were held today they would win more seats than the Liberals but the Conservatives would claim a strong majority, basically eliminating the influence the NDP has held over the minority Liberal government.

Assuming that they get a boost from the leadership contest, the NDP and Liberals will be slugging it out for third party status.  With enormous luck and a stellar campaign, the Liberals might make it to Official Oppositon, but that's very optimistic.

(01-06-2025, 11:11 PM)tomh009 Wrote:

(01-06-2025, 10:26 PM)panamaniac Wrote: Assuming that they get a boost from the leadership contest, the NDP and Liberals will be slugging it out for third party status.  With enormous luck and a stellar campaign, the Liberals might make it to Official Oppositon, but that's very optimistic.

At least they should be able to do better than the post-Mulroney PCs ... probably.

(01-06-2025, 11:44 PM)panamaniac Wrote:

(01-06-2025, 11:11 PM)tomh009 Wrote: At least they should be able to do better than the post-Mulroney PCs ... probably.

It's not easy for centrists in today's hyper-polarized world.

(01-07-2025, 01:43 PM)plam Wrote:

(01-06-2025, 11:44 PM)panamaniac Wrote: It's not easy for centrists in today's hyper-polarized world.

And yet left-leaning parties keep on trying to find the center and not really succeeding for the most part. The examples that I'll cite are the US Democrats and the NZ Labour Party...

(01-07-2025, 03:47 PM)bravado Wrote:

(01-07-2025, 01:43 PM)plam Wrote: And yet left-leaning parties keep on trying to find the center and not really succeeding for the most part. The examples that I'll cite are the US Democrats and the NZ Labour Party...

Hard to tell if it's a backlash against centrism, or just an anti-incumbent trend across the whole western world.

Quote:Pierre Poilievre's response was an angry video, prerecorded video in which he continued his refrain that Canada was broken.  Andrew Coyne of the Globe & Mail described it as weird and off-putting.

A few facts:

• Economic growth under Trudeau was 41%. Under Harper it was 18%.
  
• During the Trudeau years income growth was 23%. During the Harper decade it was 7.6%.
  
• Median Canadian net worth soared 66% between 2016 and 2023.
  
• In the G-7 only Germany’s GDP/Debt ratio outperformed Canada’s.
  
• Trudeau reduced poverty from 14.5% to 9.0%. Conservatives always want to make it higher to increase stress levels, suppress wages, lower taxes for the wealthy and punish the poor.
  
• 500,000 children were lifted out of poverty by the Child Care Benefit.
  
• Daycare from $2,000 per month to $200 per month. Pharmacare, Dental care. Justin Trudeau focused on looking after all of us.
  
• Mr. Poilievre not so much. Which is perhaps why he does not take questions he has not pre-approved. We are reminded that he lives in an 18 room taxpayer-funded mansion, has had no other job other than one funded by the public purse and will retire with an already guaranteed high 6 figure pension.
  
• Funded by a rich, diverse, and peaceful country he defends from her enemies by calling her broken and selling her to the highest bidder.
  

(01-07-2025, 03:47 PM)bravado Wrote:

(01-07-2025, 01:43 PM)plam Wrote: And yet left-leaning parties keep on trying to find the center and not really succeeding for the most part. The examples that I'll cite are the US Democrats and the NZ Labour Party...

Hard to tell if it's a backlash against centrism, or just an anti-incumbent trend across the whole western world.

(01-07-2025, 11:14 PM)Kodra24 Wrote:

(01-07-2025, 03:47 PM)bravado Wrote: Hard to tell if it's a backlash against centrism, or just an anti-incumbent trend across the whole western world.

Far-left is now Centrism? It's an anti-globalist anti-establishment trend, not an anti-incumbent trend - people are finally waking up

(01-07-2025, 10:24 PM)nms Wrote:

Quote:Pierre Poilievre's response was an angry video, prerecorded video in which he continued his refrain that Canada was broken.

(01-08-2025, 04:06 PM)bravado Wrote: The liberals are going to lose because people don’t like them anymore, some of their policies have been deeply unpopular, and they’ve governed during COVID + high inflation, that’s just a normal death sentence for a government. Not “Canada is broken”. If anything is broken around here, it’s polarizing language like this that keeps driving people apart…