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RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - plam - 02-18-2019 (02-17-2019, 11:19 PM)KevinL Wrote: I get the logistical reason for starting in the central segment, but I think having visible construction progress in some bigger cities would have given the project more public support. As it stands it's a victim of ridicule; 'tracks to nowhere', etc. Not just logistical, but also as a matter of providing much-needed support to the central California economy, which is not like the coastal economy at all. But yes, definitely more visible if near the cities. Yet building there is super hard. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - Canard - 02-18-2019 Think about if our LRT went from say, Kitchener Market to Seagram. How pointless would that be? They have to build the whole thing. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - ijmorlan - 02-18-2019 (02-18-2019, 08:44 AM)Canard Wrote: Think about if our LRT went from say, Kitchener Market to Seagram. How pointless would that be? They have to build the whole thing. I think it’s worse. Kitchener Market to Seagram would actually be (somewhat) useful. Whereas my understanding of the HSR segment to be built is it’s basically just a random section in the middle of nowhere, maybe like Randall Drive to Scotch Line Road (with the long-term goal being LRT to Elmira). RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - plam - 02-18-2019 It's more like Kitchener Market to Seagram on electric power and then connecting to coal power, but still on rails, up to Conestoga Mall. Merced is connected to Oakland by Amtrak service, and I hope they'll be able to run the same train all the way to Oakland, just not at high speed. Of course, North Americans these days are pretty good at doing infrastructure wrong. https://sf.streetsblog.org/2019/02/14/high-speed-rails-central-valley-segment-is-not-stranded/ Attached picture in Oakland is definitely not HSR track. Bakersfield is pretty moderate-sized. Fresno's on the line too, and it's slightly smaller than Waterloo Region. Merced is tiny. These areas are probably not enough to justify HSR on their own. But getting to SF would be quite useful even if they didn't connect to LA. (oh, hi from LA). RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - tomh009 - 02-18-2019 (02-17-2019, 10:34 PM)plam Wrote:(02-17-2019, 12:37 PM)Square Wrote: I guess Ontario is not the only place with problems : https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/15/18224717/california-high-speed-rail-canceled The problem (well, one of the many problems) is that they started this project with only a partial budget, and it's nowhere near enough to complete the route they want (and need). RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - Spokes - 02-19-2019 Like everyone else said, without the whole system, what's the point?? RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - jamincan - 02-19-2019 Presuming trains running from San Francisco to LA can benefit from the high-speed track in the central areas, service is still improved, it's just an incremental improvement. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - Ace - 04-12-2019 2019 Ontario Budget Quote:HIGH-SPEED RAIL: VALUE FOR MONEY? RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - danbrotherston - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 09:18 AM)Ace Wrote: 2019 Ontario Budget I wonder how many decimals of precision one would need to measure the chance this analysis fairly considers HSR impacts vs. building more roads to support the same growth. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - panamaniac - 04-12-2019 One suspects it will remain "paused" until the lead-up to the next provincial election campaign. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - bgb_ca - 04-12-2019 Anyone actually surprised by this? RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - Rainrider22 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 09:53 AM)bgb_ca Wrote: Anyone actually surprised by this? The circle of life. One government promises to Study HSR then next government puts it on pause. We are so non progressive when it comes to transportation. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - kps - 04-12-2019 HSR would be expensive to ride as well. Better to put resources into making GO competetive with driving the 401. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - Rainrider22 - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 10:26 AM)kps Wrote: HSR would be expensive to ride as well. Better to put resources into making GO competetive with driving the 401. I am ok with that if they can reduce the travel time. 2 hours isn't acceptable in today's day and age. RE: High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London - danbrotherston - 04-12-2019 (04-12-2019, 10:26 AM)kps Wrote: HSR would be expensive to ride as well. Better to put resources into making GO competetive with driving the 401. This is both relative and unsubstantiated. The business case evaluation was considering what price points would drive what ridership and what ridership at which price points would justify the investment. Via Rail is already "expensive" and competitive with driving the 401. |