Cycling in Waterloo Region - Printable Version +- Waterloo Region Connected (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com) +-- Forum: Waterloo Region Works (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14) +--- Forum: Transportation and Infrastructure (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=25) +--- Thread: Cycling in Waterloo Region (/showthread.php?tid=186) Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
298
299
300
301
302
303
304
305
306
307
308
309
310
311
312
313
314
315
|
RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 10-16-2020 That stretch of Benton is a regional road so it won't be on the city's plans. It's four lanes because of long-abandoned plans to make Frederick/Benton a major thoroughfare connecting Victoria St N at one end to Queen St S on the other. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - panamaniac - 10-16-2020 I don’t think there’s a plan yet for a re-worked Benton, is there? I’d like to see a terraced boulevard down the centre of the hill with plantings and flowing water .... RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - dtkvictim - 10-16-2020 The "Downtown Cycling Grid Project Information.pdf" on the Engage page shows Benton from Courtland to Charles as well as Frederick from Duke to Lancaster as "Planned: Street Reconstruction (Region)". This is on the slide with the proposed network map. Given that it's highlighted on this network map it seems likely cycling infrastructure will be involved? I tried to google for it, I found some 4+ year old Region documents that mention that stretch of Benton, but also listed 2018 as the construction date. I'm not really familiar with where to find this information. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 01:08 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: I don't have time to look through the construction drawings, but the renders and maps on the information sheet look like a huge step in the right direction (even if imperfect). The region is planning work, but has not started designing yet. I fear if left to their own devices, it will be mediocre...even if they do narrow it. I am in the middle of my own project on this topic, and I will post soon RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 01:53 PM)panamaniac Wrote: I don’t think there’s a plan yet for a re-worked Benton, is there? I’d like to see a terraced boulevard down the centre of the hill with plantings and flowing water and a portico .... I fixed that for you! RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - panamaniac - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 04:13 PM)tomh009 Wrote:You can’t have too many porticos, but I’m thinking gazebos, in this case ...(10-16-2020, 01:53 PM)panamaniac Wrote: I don’t think there’s a plan yet for a re-worked Benton, is there? I’d like to see a terraced boulevard down the centre of the hill with plantings and flowing water and a portico .... Although a triumphal arch might be nice too, if we can agree on a triumph to commemorate. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 01:53 PM)panamaniac Wrote: I don’t think there’s a plan yet for a re-worked Benton, is there? I’d like to see a terraced boulevard down the centre of the hill with plantings and flowing water .... No plan yet, the city would like there to be bicycle infra, knowing the region, bike infra is probably on the table, I can see them proposing a mediocre 3 lane road with painted bike lanes. I also don't like the idea of a center boulevard, they end up just being dead space, and worse, they necessitate a wider lanes because the region insists on minimum 4.5 meter wide curb to curb distance, and obviously it's just a wide road to begin with. I have a different proposal. https://youtu.be/rygMdouzi_I RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 04:42 PM)panamaniac Wrote:(10-16-2020, 04:13 PM)tomh009 Wrote: I fixed that for you! Well, once we beat this COVID thing, we could build an arch and have the front-line workers parade through? RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 06:58 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:(10-16-2020, 01:53 PM)panamaniac Wrote: I don’t think there’s a plan yet for a re-worked Benton, is there? I’d like to see a terraced boulevard down the centre of the hill with plantings and flowing water .... How did you envision the bus stop working? Pax would cross either the road or the cycle path to get to the stop? Does the bus actually stop in the parking lane, or only the pax would be there, with the bus in the traffic lane? Also, what's the cause/reason for the squiggle in the cycle path between Arrow Lofts and Arrow 2? RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - panamaniac - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 07:40 PM)tomh009 Wrote:Call it the coronarch ...(10-16-2020, 04:42 PM)panamaniac Wrote: You can’t have too many porticos, but I’m thinking gazebos, in this case ... RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 07:51 PM)tomh009 Wrote:(10-16-2020, 06:58 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: No plan yet, the city would like there to be bicycle infra, knowing the region, bike infra is probably on the table, I can see them proposing a mediocre 3 lane road with painted bike lanes. The squiggle is just because the building isn't done right now and the road is partially closed on the sat view, so I more or less guessed where it should be, but it's a bit off there. As for bus stops, I'm envisioning standard dutch (and others) design, bike lane goes behind the bus stop and shelter, peds cross to the bike lane and wait on the concrete pad (I think there's room for a shelter, although there is not one there now). The buses stop in the traffic lane. GRT prefers this for operations anyway, and traffic is extremely minimal anyway. I think this design can be accomodated throughout, ultimately the road is four lanes wide, and only needs two to handle the extremely low traffic volumes. Further up near King there is another bus stop, but I am envisioning buses stopping on the other side of the LRT station, as they do on Willis Way. I think it can be accomplished without much construction, the bus only needs a short distance to stop, either end would work. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 10-16-2020 Thanks for the clarification. I believe there is a bus stop on Benton in front of the parking garage (near the Charles LRT stop), and another one on Frederick in front Crabby Joe's (next to the Market Square LRT stop). Plus the one on Benton at the top of the hill, and one on Charles across from the LRT stop, for westbound buses. It's a few blocks of pretty high density of bus stops! RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 10-16-2020 (10-16-2020, 09:52 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Thanks for the clarification. You are right, and some may need to move. This isn’t supposed to be a real engineering plan, more of an argument away from the mediocre designs I kind of expect. Plus it solves the self inflicted failure between Charles And Duke. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 10-17-2020 Yeah, as a starting point for a discussion about what we should do, I think it's a great start. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - westwardloo - 10-19-2020 (10-16-2020, 06:58 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: No plan yet, the city would like there to be bicycle infra, knowing the region, bike infra is probably on the table, I can see them proposing a mediocre 3 lane road with painted bike lanes.Thanks for sharing! Hopefully the region takes these comments into their proposal for the reworking of Benton/ Frederick. I would love to see your sketches for phase 2/3. I live near Frederick mall and would love to have a separated bike path directly into downtown. |