ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Printable Version +- Waterloo Region Connected (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com) +-- Forum: Waterloo Region Works (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14) +--- Forum: Transportation and Infrastructure (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=25) +--- Thread: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit (/showthread.php?tid=14) Pages:
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RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - danbrotherston - 07-12-2022 (07-12-2022, 10:23 AM)neonjoe Wrote:(07-12-2022, 09:17 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: "Planning exercise"....You're not wrong. I do believe though that this is another one of the cases where having separate tiers of government causes more miscommunication where the planning doesn't match the transportation etc. Normally I would say the region does a slightly better job building more realistic roads and widening when the 'demand' comes. A road that come to mind include Fisher Hallman between Ottawa and Bleams, it opened in 2000 as a two lane road and was only widened in 2016. On the other hand the city rebuilt Huron Road with four lanes during the same era and it still never seems busy. I mean, roads like Highland Rd., Ottawa St. are the counter examples so maybe things have changed. On the other hand, there's also Weber, Westmount, Erb, and others which are older, but also were built originally to be 4 lanes entirely unnecessarily. More, roads like F-H, University (West of Erb), were built only 2 lanes, but clearly with an intention to be four lanes later. I don't know, the cities have a bad track record as well--I can think of a dozen if you want, but has a much better track record with road diets. Seems like the cities have acknowledged that four lane roads are not necessary, or worth while, or even a net positive everywhere. The region is not at that place yet. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Bytor - 07-12-2022 (07-12-2022, 05:32 AM)danbrotherston Wrote:(07-11-2022, 05:06 PM)Bytor Wrote: I understand the differentiation that you are trying to make, but the source is still the same—adherence to manuals and standards that are out of date, through either being required to adhere by the employer or by pencil pushers unable to think independently. Whether that is "An AADT of 20,000 requires 4 lanes" (overbuilt) or "a residential road needs to be 50k/h and thus 13m from curb to curb with 2x3.5m travel lanes and 2x3m parking lanes" (over-engineered), the cause is the same. Really? When did they say that there are no standards in the Region? Citation, please. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - danbrotherston - 07-13-2022 (07-12-2022, 05:50 PM)Bytor Wrote:(07-12-2022, 05:32 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: But this simply isn't true. Please read the whole sentence. There are no standards at the region, at the province, at a national level that require a road like Highland Rd. to have four lanes. And if you want a citation, go read the minutes of the meetings where staff presented the Highland Rd. project to ATAC. They were very explicit with this. Traffic projections within the 30 year planning horizon do not show that 4 lanes would be required. They 'prefer' four lanes for 'additional operational flexibility'. I asked in that meeting why we were building 4 lanes when it wasn't necessary and I was told that we were ATAC and we shouldn't be questioning car infra....which is ridiculous because cars are the main obstacle to AT. It was probably the beginning of the end of my tenure on ATAC. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - ijmorlan - 07-13-2022 (07-13-2022, 01:32 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: I asked in that meeting why we were building 4 lanes when it wasn't necessary and I was told that we were ATAC and we shouldn't be questioning car infra....which is ridiculous because cars are the main obstacle to AT. It was probably the beginning of the end of my tenure on ATAC. Right, the money wasted on those extra lanes could probably pay for every bicycle project ever seriously discussed on this board. Or just build the road at 4 lanes but put planter boxes on the dashed white lines all the way along to make the curb lanes high-quality bicycle lanes. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - neonjoe - 07-19-2022 Looks like a cement truck has hit an iON train in front of GRH causing heavy damage and knocking it off its tracks. https://kitchener.citynews.ca/police-beat/police-investigating-crash-between-cement-truck-and-lrt-5597622?fbclid=IwAR2F34Mf9nkI25Y-PsH6Qs0OG3n4z_EP-dQeEcAKoI8hZfVI21jv_pNK4Bc Edit: Pic on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/kitchener/comments/w2r9ca/whose_keeping_tally/ RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - danbrotherston - 07-19-2022 This is the first professional driver to hit an LRV right? I can't tell if that's good or bad...certainly you'd expect it to happen less frequently, but do professional drivers make up >1% of the drivers in the city? RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - bravado - 07-19-2022 Send their insurance company the bill for the track inspection and every cost from extra buses for the day. I wonder if our leaders ever make the link between crap like this and deciding to cheap out on the Ion infrastructure? RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - panamaniac - 07-19-2022 (07-19-2022, 09:26 AM)neonjoe Wrote: Looks like a cement truck has hit an iON train in front of GRH causing heavy damage and knocking it off its tracks. Oooh, that's a good one! RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - ac3r - 07-19-2022 (07-19-2022, 10:15 AM)bravado Wrote: I wonder if our leaders ever make the link between crap like this and deciding to cheap out on the Ion infrastructure? Something something we had to settle for mediocrity something something or we wouldn't have got all 19 km built at once. Anyway, it must be something about this intersection. This is like the 3rd or 4th crash at the same location. I can see the entire LRT being down for a day or so while they inspect the tracks...when a train derails, there is a lot of investigating to do. I imagine the repairs on the LRV itself will take a while and cost a lot too. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - ijmorlan - 07-19-2022 No left turn from King, clearly marked. No-left signs next to both signal heads. I will nitpick that the no-U-turn should be repeated at the second signal head: When there are duplicate signal heads, each copy should always have exactly the same signage associated with it; furthermore, the signage should be placed in a standard position relative to the signal head (I would go with immediately to the right, with no gap between the signal head and the signs). But that’s just nitpicking. Really the signage is clear. I do notice that the curbs are built as if left turns were permitted. The curb on King could extend significantly further (even slightly past the pedestrian crossing) without getting in the way of left turns from Agnes onto King. This might have given the driver a better visual cue. Or they could have just used their side mirror, assuming they were going to turn. Does anybody have suggestions for more expensive ways to make this intersection safer? Somebody mentioned cheaping out on ION, but I’m not sure if everybody understands that going underground is almost certainly not feasible. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - danbrotherston - 07-19-2022 (07-19-2022, 10:15 AM)bravado Wrote: Send their insurance company the bill for the track inspection and every cost from extra buses for the day. I don't see how "cheaping out" on the ION infra is related to this. This is a fully signalized intersection here, there was no cost cutting at play here. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - plam - 07-19-2022 (07-19-2022, 12:55 PM)ac3r Wrote: Anyway, it must be something about this intersection. This is like the 3rd or 4th crash at the same location. I can see the entire LRT being down for a day or so while they inspect the tracks...when a train derails, there is a lot of investigating to do. I imagine the repairs on the LRV itself will take a while and cost a lot too. Dunno if it's running in Kitchener but I definitely saw a train this afternoon at the University of Waterloo. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - dtkvictim - 07-19-2022 (07-19-2022, 09:55 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: This is the first professional driver to hit an LRV right? "Professional". At least from the Toronto news I read, cement trucks and dump trucks seem to make up a disproportionate number of pedestrian and cyclist fatalities and injuries. Maybe it's just a reporting bias (I don't know the statistics), but even if there were causing accidents in line with population it would still be pretty damning of the licensing requirements and the profession. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Acitta - 07-19-2022 (07-19-2022, 03:11 PM)dtkvictim Wrote:(07-19-2022, 09:55 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: This is the first professional driver to hit an LRV right? When cycling, I have always found construction vehicles like dump trucks and trucks pulling trailers to be the most unsafe to be around. Even tractor trailer drivers generally seem to drive safer. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - KevinL - 07-19-2022 (07-19-2022, 03:04 PM)plam Wrote:(07-19-2022, 12:55 PM)ac3r Wrote: Anyway, it must be something about this intersection. This is like the 3rd or 4th crash at the same location. I can see the entire LRT being down for a day or so while they inspect the tracks...when a train derails, there is a lot of investigating to do. I imagine the repairs on the LRV itself will take a while and cost a lot too. As the crash took place south of the Green St crossover, they can run the system uninterrupted to the GRH station. |