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RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - tomh009 - 09-04-2020 (09-04-2020, 11:43 AM)panamaniac Wrote:(09-03-2020, 12:48 PM)ac3r Wrote: It's modest, but I like it. The colours aren't my favourite but the building looks to be of an alright quality. It's a nice mid-rise and in a good location. The one going up across the street will really make this area feel filled in. The building going up at Frederick and Lancaster which is nearby should bring up the foot traffic around this part of downtown. There are still quite a few multiplexes (I have no data, sorry, only anecdotal observations) but mostly a little bit (Kitchener) west, on the blocks to the north of Weber. There may be some in the Mansion street area, too, but I'm less confident about their density. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - taylortbb - 09-04-2020 Looks like the ground floor commercial is no more. Quote:Permitno 20110469 RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - tomh009 - 09-05-2020 (09-04-2020, 04:43 PM)taylortbb Wrote: Looks like the ground floor commercial is no more. That can't be the entire ground floor, that would be more than one apartment. Even more than an apartment + an amenity room. But it's hard to tell as we can't see the floorplan. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - panamaniac - 09-05-2020 (09-05-2020, 10:32 PM)O9tomh009 Wrote:The main floor would also have a vestibule, lobby, mail alcove, and elevators, so l could see it.(09-04-2020, 04:43 PM)taylortbb Wrote: Looks like the ground floor commercial is no more. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - taylortbb - 09-05-2020 (09-05-2020, 10:32 PM)tomh009 Wrote:(09-04-2020, 04:43 PM)taylortbb Wrote: Looks like the ground floor commercial is no more. Based on walking past, the ground floor commercial just looks to be a single restaurant-sized unit on the Weber St side. It definitely seems about the right size for a residential unit + amenity room. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - Spokes - 09-09-2020 Didn't that happen in a few of those student buildings in Waterloo? Get an approval with ground floor retail and then convert it to a residence? This shouldn't be allowed. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - ijmorlan - 09-09-2020 (09-09-2020, 11:06 AM)Spokes Wrote: Didn't that happen in a few of those student buildings in Waterloo? Get an approval with ground floor retail and then convert it to a residence? This shouldn't be allowed. Based on what? If it’s worth more as a residence than as commercial, what is the basis for forcing it to be commercial? I’m not sure people who make suggestions around the use of real estate consider just how little freedom they are implicitly saying property owners should have. Remember, all the best parts of the city were built pre-zoning. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - panamaniac - 09-09-2020 (09-09-2020, 12:27 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(09-09-2020, 11:06 AM)Spoke Wrote: Didn't that happen in a few of those student buildings in Waterloo? Get an approval with ground floor retail and then convert it to a residence? This shouldn't be allowed. I suppose it depends on what was agreed to in the first place, if the property required re-zoning. If the extra height was approved BECAUSE of the ground floor commercial, then the bar should be set fairly high for changing the use without revisiting the original rezoning/approval. We're seeing a case like this in my Ottawa neighbourhood (five commercial units changed to one "live/work" unit and a number of apartments), that has stimulated considerable neighbourhood controversy. Rather than it being a "minor change" that City staff could approve, the public outcry has sent it to a public meeting and the Planning Committee. In the case of this particular building, where only one commercial unit was ever planned, I don't know that it makes much difference. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - ijmorlan - 09-09-2020 (09-09-2020, 02:03 PM)panamaniac Wrote:(09-09-2020, 12:27 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: Based on what? If it’s worth more as a residence than as commercial, what is the basis for forcing it to be commercial? I’m not sure people who make suggestions around the use of real estate consider just how little freedom they are implicitly saying property owners should have. Remember, all the best parts of the city were built pre-zoning. Yes, I agree that makes sense. If a deal is made, then everybody needs to abide by it. Under the circumstances described, it would be perfectly reasonable to say that reverting the ground floor to residential means the extra height can’t get built. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - panamaniac - 09-09-2020 Hence why, in this case, the change may have been sought only after the tower was built out ... RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - creative - 09-09-2020 How do these commercial spaces work in a condo? Are they sold to business owners or individuals who then in turn rent to potential business or are they owned by the condo corporation and managed and rented by the corporation? RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - taylortbb - 09-10-2020 (09-09-2020, 06:35 PM)creative Wrote: How do these commercial spaces work in a condo? Are they sold to business owners or individuals who then in turn rent to potential business or are they owned by the condo corporation and managed and rented by the corporation? Generally they're like any other unit, sold to some owner that wishes to rent it out. But I'm sure there's exceptions. This specific building however is rental, not condo. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - creative - 09-10-2020 So I can see condo developments wanting to convert unsold commercial spaces. In this case they nave have been having trouble leasing the commercial space. A lot of these developments are funded by private equity with promise of rates of return. RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - Spokes - 09-10-2020 (09-09-2020, 12:27 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(09-09-2020, 11:06 AM)Spokes Wrote: Didn't that happen in a few of those student buildings in Waterloo? Get an approval with ground floor retail and then convert it to a residence? This shouldn't be allowed. Based on that the project was approved with ground floor retail in it? RE: 59-65 Weber St E & 51-59 Scott St | 11 fl | U/C - ijmorlan - 09-10-2020 (09-10-2020, 11:09 AM)Spokes Wrote:(09-09-2020, 12:27 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: Based on what? If it’s worth more as a residence than as commercial, what is the basis for forcing it to be commercial? I’m not sure people who make suggestions around the use of real estate consider just how little freedom they are implicitly saying property owners should have. Remember, all the best parts of the city were built pre-zoning. Yes, I think that’s what panamaniac was getting at. I agree that Rule of Acquisition #17 should apply, especially to large developers who can be assumed to have the ability to properly vet everything before they sign it. |