Highway 401 Widening - Highway 8 to Townline Road

[danbrotherston]

Self driving cars aren't going to be a thing anytime soon, if ever.

And even if they will be, they still won’t work in dense urban areas, and won’t be efficient for lots of people taking almost the same trip, which is what we’re talking about in this topic. This is just geometry and math, nothing about the details of the technology itself.

The 401, which almost certainly will be suited to self driving cars. The problem is that if people drive cars up the 401, they will *also* drive them to their destinations in the dense part of the city.  Freight doesn't necessarily have this problem.

As for when self driving cars are coming, I think it's a lot sooner than you folks think, I suspect they are already safer than average human drivers (remember, humans are a very very low bar) and as soon as it's feasible (i.e., as safe as a professional human driver) you can bet that the T&L industry will stop employing drivers--who are very expensive and cannot drive 24/7, whether you choose to buy a self driving car or not, they're coming.

The important point, which you pointed out, is that they are not a mass transit solution, and if the idea is simply to replace human driven cars with self driven cars, we will be making our cities even worse.