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Cycling Outside Waterloo Region
I am not 100% on which stretch of River road in Richmond they are on but I am guessing that it's between no6 road and Westminster hwy. I doubt the speed limit is over 60, there is no shoulder of any sort, just a ditch on one side and the Fraser river on the other.

It's maybe 8km between no7 road the Westminster hwy. There's also a major highway that runs parallel to River road so if someone is in a rush I don't know why they'd chose the winding narrow road. Google says it's a 11 minute drive right now and 26 on a bike, so a group ride should be under 20 to cover 8km.

If it was a tractor there's no choice but to wait unless the tractor chooses to pull into a driveway.

To me it seems like a tempest in a teapot, if one is a rush and on that road they've messed up. If you're there for the scenery (it's not that nice imo) getting stuck behind a group ride gives one a few more minutes to look at the river.
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(06-30-2018, 09:02 AM)ijmorlan Wrote:
(06-30-2018, 08:50 AM)clasher Wrote: … the person in the video just seems to think it means they get to first all the time.


Not clear to me. It looked like the bicycle group was just going at their speed for as long as they want. It’s not appropriate for slow-moving traffic (of any kind) to slow down all traffic to their speed indefinitely. It’s reasonable for motor vehicles to have to slow down as they approach and wait for the bicycles to pull over or change their configuration but not reasonable to expect motor vehicles to simply drive at 30km/h until the cyclists make a turn, however long that might take. The roads in question are engineered for traffic running at 60-90km/h for a reason.

And I say this as somebody who generally agrees with the cyclists’ view of a situation. I’m no friend of the motorist, in general.

It has been extensively studied and the "share the road" signage leads to greater confusion and driver (and cyclist) entitlement to the roads. It quite clearly doesn't improve the roads.

As far as sharing the roads...where should the cyclists pull over? Do they need to pull into a driveway and stop? That seems excessive to me? How slow do they cyclists have to be traveling, and/or how many cars must be waiting before cyclists are required to stop to allow them to pass? The trailing vehicle can overtake any time it is safe, but under no circumstances should the cyclists squeeze right to permit an unsafe overtake. Obviously, when the road widens and gives an opportunity for safe overtaking, the cyclists should not prevent that. But even if we accept that standard, we're still going to have loud and probably occasionally fatal disagreements on the roads about what constitutes widening to allow safe overtaking.

The reality is our country roads only work as well as they do because despite the loud complaints of drivers, rarely are they actually held up for a significant period of time, traffic on our rural roads is so light, that overtaking is actually reasonable easy. Cyclists tend to avoid riding on the roads where that isn't the case for any extended period of time.
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Cycle of problems: What can be done to reduce bike deaths?
Sunday, July 8, 2018 on Cross Country Checkup: Bikes vs. cars

With the recent spate of cycling deaths in Toronto, bike activists and road safety experts alike are demanding major reforms in cities across Canada. 
Bike lanes, bike bans, no right turns, lower speed limits — even car bans. There's been plenty of peddling, but not much movement.
Who is to blame for cycling deaths in Canada? What has to change to stop them?


Join Duncan McCue live on Sunday, across six time zones, on CBC Radio One, and streaming on cbc.ca and on the CBC Radio app.
1 p.m. PT, 2 p.m. MT, 3 p.m. CT, 4 p.m. ET, 5 p.m. AT, 5:30 p.m. NT.


Toll-free number during the broadcast: 1-888-416-8333
Email: checkup@cbc.ca
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Everyone move to the back of the bus and we all get home faster.
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Cue victim blaming.

Frankly, I'm not going to tune in to hear that...I don't need to hear more from the "general public" on this issue.
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In general, I always found Cross Country Check-up to be rather insufferable. I don't know if it has changed, but I'm not really interested in hearing how George in Picton doesn't see why cyclists shouldn't need to get a license and should just ride on sidewalks if they don't want to be killed.
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I didn't listen to the whole thing since I was only near a radio for a few minutes but they were interviewing some Canadian from Fort Mac that now works for Copenhagenize; he made a stupid comparison about "those spandex dudes" of which he isn't, and that they were just advocating for regular citizens... like road riders just crawl into the ground and don't participate in regular life the rest of the time? I'm sure he had some other good stuff to say but I kind of tune out when someone has to make a case that people out for recreational purposes don't deserve safety and infrastructure the same way someone going to the store does, like WTF.

I can imagine a lot of the calls were just about how cyclists are just scofflaws and they need more lights and safety vests and helmets and padding and maybe a big steel cage around them too...
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(07-08-2018, 05:33 AM)jamincan Wrote: In general, I always found Cross Country Check-up to be rather insufferable. I don't know if it has changed, but I'm not really interested in hearing how George in Picton doesn't see why cyclists shouldn't need to get a license and should just ride on sidewalks if they don't want to be killed.

Hey, you take that back! George in Picton is a good friend of mine! Tongue
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