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345 King St W
#71
The comment struck me as simply an (accurate) observation rather than a complaint re gentrification. Although I view gentrification very favourably, so perhaps it was me who misunderstood.
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#72
I was not complaining about gentrification at all! Just stating the facts. New construction requires displacement sometimes, and a new state of the art building does not come with the cheap rents that some of these businesses are used to and can afford.
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#73
That's what I thought. I wouldn't be surprised if Starbucks located there.
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#74
(09-30-2017, 10:47 PM)panamaniac Wrote: That's what I thought.  I wouldn't be surprised if Starbucks located there.

We have so many high-quality coffee shops in DTK now (Matter of Taste, Smile Tiger x2, Settlement, Pyrus) plus a slew of more mainstream ones (Williams, Coffee Culture, Hacienda, Coffee Time, Kava, Darlisle, Europe, Commons, Elevenses, Fresh Ground, Yeti etc) that I'm not sure the opportunity for Starbucks is all that fantastic any more.  If they had opened up five years ago it would have been a different situation.
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#75
(09-30-2017, 11:40 PM)tomh009 Wrote:
(09-30-2017, 10:47 PM)panamaniac Wrote: That's what I thought.  I wouldn't be surprised if Starbucks located there.

We have so many high-quality coffee shops in DTK now (Matter of Taste, Smile Tiger x2, Settlement, Pyrus) plus a slew of more mainstream ones (Williams, Coffee Culture, Hacienda, Coffee Time, Kava, Darlisle, Europe, Commons, Elevenses, Fresh Ground, Yeti etc) that I'm not sure the opportunity for Starbucks is all that fantastic any more.  If they had opened up five years ago it would have been a different situation.

I don't disagree, although, a bit to my surprise, I haven't sensed that Downtown is at "peak coffee" yet (I wonder how Smile Tiger is doing at 8 Queen?  and Settlement at King/Victoria?).  Things still don't seem propitious for a return of retail (at least not of the high rent variety), which pretty much leaves restaurants and cafes as the most likely options in this location.  I don't think that's ideal, but I'm trying to be realistic.  Maybe they'll surprise me (one lives in hope!).
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#76
(10-01-2017, 10:36 AM)panamaniac Wrote:
(09-30-2017, 11:40 PM)tomh009 Wrote: We have so many high-quality coffee shops in DTK now (Matter of Taste, Smile Tiger x2, Settlement, Pyrus) plus a slew of more mainstream ones (Williams, Coffee Culture, Hacienda, Coffee Time, Kava, Darlisle, Europe, Commons, Elevenses, Fresh Ground, Yeti etc) that I'm not sure the opportunity for Starbucks is all that fantastic any more.  If they had opened up five years ago it would have been a different situation.

I don't disagree, although, a bit to my surprise, I haven't sensed that Downtown is at "peak coffee" yet (I wonder how Smile Tiger is doing at 8 Queen?  and Settlement at King/Victoria?).  Things still don't seem propitious for a return of retail (at least not of the high rent variety), which pretty much leaves restaurants and cafes as the most likely options in this location.  I don't think that's ideal, but I'm trying to be realistic.  Maybe they'll surprise me (one lives in hope!).

Indeed no one seems to have gone out of business yet.  Settlement is quite busy in the afternoons -- there is not only 1 Victoria but also the Tannery and the school of pharmacy (ah yes, should add Balzac and the pharmacy's cafe to that list!).

I think retail will return gradually, need to build some momentum/critical mass to get a significant number of stores.
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#77
(10-01-2017, 01:40 PM)tomh009 Wrote:
(10-01-2017, 10:36 AM)panamaniac Wrote: I don't disagree, although, a bit to my surprise, I haven't sensed that Downtown is at "peak coffee" yet (I wonder how Smile Tiger is doing at 8 Queen?  and Settlement at King/Victoria?).  Things still don't seem propitious for a return of retail (at least not of the high rent variety), which pretty much leaves restaurants and cafes as the most likely options in this location.  I don't think that's ideal, but I'm trying to be realistic.  Maybe they'll surprise me (one lives in hope!).

Indeed no one seems to have gone out of business yet.  Settlement is quite busy in the afternoons -- there is not only 1 Victoria but also the Tannery and the school of pharmacy (ah yes, should add Balzac and the pharmacy's cafe to that list!).

I think retail will return gradually, need to build some momentum/critical mass to get a significant number of stores.

The cafe in the School of Pharmacy has always been a mystery to me.  Is it open to the public?
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#78
It's not really intended for the public, but it doesn't turn people away. Being UW food services they'll accept cash and Watcard, and maybe Interac. If you're paying cash/Interac there's no ID checks or anything, and like all UW buildings it's open to the public.

It's no different than going to one of the Tim Horton's on main campus. They're buried inside buildings so it's 99% students/staff, but technically anyone is welcome.
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#79
(10-01-2017, 03:33 PM)panamaniac Wrote:
(10-01-2017, 01:40 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Indeed no one seems to have gone out of business yet.  Settlement is quite busy in the afternoons -- there is not only 1 Victoria but also the Tannery and the school of pharmacy (ah yes, should add Balzac and the pharmacy's cafe to that list!).

I think retail will return gradually, need to build some momentum/critical mass to get a significant number of stores.

The cafe in the School of Pharmacy has always been a mystery to me.  Is it open to the public?

How about you go in and check it out for yourself? Yes it is open to the public. It is not operated by UW Food Services, it is operated by the Federation of Students, so they are happy to sell to anyone! They take cash, debit and credit and have a bunch of good things. It is quite popular with the construction workers in the area, actually.
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#80
Yeah, it's definitely open to the public.
The only problem is that the hours of operation are really centred around class times. No evening or weekend coverage.
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