General Politics Discussion

[danbrotherston]

This is not a matter of opinion.  This is a question of objective reality.

This is no different than climate change.  I disagree with many people on how best to combat, or even whether to combat climate change.

But disagreeing on whether it is happening or not isn't a matter of opinion.

I argue this is the same thing.  It's perfectly reasonable to disagree on what size Toronto city council should be, or even the degree to which the public or experts should be consulted on the decision.

But I do not feel it is reasonable to believe that his decision wasn't politically motivated and that doing it during an election with zero consultation of any kind was a good idea.  I don't think that's an opinion.  And that belief has now been backed up by a court decision.

This is an affliction in today's society I feel, the idea that your opinion is just as good as reality.

If we don't have any objective reality, then we have nothing.

I spend plenty of time reflecting on my own positions.  I wish others did as well.

Two points, you still didn't acknowledge the point that you reduced yourself to labeling people, which was my point..

Secondly, if you believe your wisdom and objective reality is more important than other people's thoughts, run for politics and champion your cause..

I am labeling people, and while I think we should avoid reducing people to their labels, at a certain point, I think labels are appropriate. You can certainly disagree...that's an opinion.

As for "my objective reality" you don't seem to get what the point is, it's not *my* reality, it's everyone's. No matter whether you believe it or not.  it's not more important than people's "thoughts", it simply *is*..., but disagreeing with reality is unlikely to lead to good outcomes.

And it's not even *me* saying it, in this case, it's the court. But it wasn't particularly hard to observe either, which is why I don't believe it's reasonable for people not to see it, people who aren't seeing it.