Winter Walking and Cycling

[danbrotherston]

1) I was very clear, snowplows drive fast and are occasionally involved in fatal collisions, I know of no such case where a sidewalk plow involved in plowing operations was involved in a fatal collision.

Now maybe you've raised other concerns, but I'll point out for seemingly the trillionth time, other cities manage to do this, we aren't some special incompetent flower, where we are the only city which can't plow our sidewalks.

2) So then why don't we have volunteers clear the roads, and let the professionals handle the sidewalks?  Or do the grass cutting in summer.  Why is it that the ONLY public service you bellieve should be handled by free child labor is sidewalk clearing?

Your accusation that I don't volunteer is ignorant, I don't have to answer to you, but making assumptions makes an ass out of you.

No, I didn't fall for your bullshit "trap" argument, I called it out...like all false arguments should be, you want to try a third time?

1) You're 100% ignorant on this topic. So now the snowplough are a danger "to the public" as obviously any sort of fatality wouldn't involve the truck driver (who's max speed will be around 40 kph).

Seemingly trillionth -- I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know what a trillion is?

What cities have 'managed' to do this fine and with happy customers? Guelph? Ottawa? Some part of Toronto? Ask the man on his mobility device in an suburban centre how his trip went after the storm. I have. Not good. Not happy. "But, they can only do so much...but they should though concentrate on areas where disabled people live..."

And the city DOES plow sidewalks -- just not the entire city. How the hell else would I know that operators have suffered driving this contraptions? Bolded the above for context to my answer.

2) Again, this shows your ignorance in snow removal operations: Meditate on this: teens don't have their full license. Teens can't work 12 hour days and go to school. Teens don't have DZ training and license (D for truck over 24,000 pounds, Z is Air Brake endorsement). Teens can't be 'on-call' for snow removal. Does the city want to spend millions training hundreds of people to get their DZ license to have them only available for a few hours -- maybe? Really, that's your solution?

Second, where did I say that the only public service I "bellieve" should be done by child labour? Child labour, as mandated by the previous Liberal government, never specified what children can and couldn't do, as long as it was safe. Personally, I don't give a rats ass what these kids do. They wanna work at a community centre? Sure. Old age home? Sure. I don't care of the what and where. I was making a suggestion which clearly offended you, for whatever reason. When I was a kid, I shovelled, for free, my elderly neighbours sidewalk. I guess I was a victim of child labour.

And no, no point about me going on with my so-called 'bullshit argument trap'. as clearly you can't handle the truth.

As for my assumption with about volunteerism: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and looks like a duck, it's 100% duck. Your kind works about volunteering shows your viewpoint on it. You wouldn't be so quick to call it child labour if you had a positive viewpoint on this.

1) I never suggested that snowplowing was a "danger to the public" and you're lying to suggest I did. The fatalities I've spoken about did in fact involve the driver.

Yes, trillionth, you know hyperbole, right? 

Yes, lots of people complain about sidewalk clearing, in London where I'm from, I complained about sidewalk clearing in London where I'm from. That doesn't mean it wasn't vastly better than what we have. Like you, I lacked perspective.  Having moved, and traveled more, I now have a better understanding of the different options.

And yes, we do plow our sidewalks.  So again, it is absurd for you to suggest that we cannot do so....

2) It also requires training to operate a sidewalk plow, your solution is to give them snow blowers instead (a bad idea, but whatever), so let them use snowblowers to clear the road too.

And yes, students volunteer all over, but nobody has ever suggested that the solution to running community centres or old age homes is student volunteers. None of those services depend on child labor, if all the volunteers disappeared tomorrow, the community centres would still be open.  But for sidewalk clearing, you suggest students are the solution, if students stopped volunteering we'd no longer have sidewalk clearing. Are you pretending to not understand the difference here?

Why do you keep specifing that it was the liberal's policy that students must volunteer? Seems very strange, unless you believe it's scoring you political points.

Frankly, you're being dishonest with your discussions here.  I don't know why.