Winter Walking and Cycling

[jeffster]

1) Yes -- I have spoken to just about everyone at the KOF (Kitchener Operations Facility) regarding snow operations. Very limited time on these small machines because they are very, very loud, and cause hearing damage, and they're very, very rough driving them. Many have had to step back from driving these machines because of what they do to the body. Not a single individual said that they were comparable to a snowplow. Not one. I am still trying to figure, by your definition, how a snowplow is more dangerous. You have data to back this up, obviously?

2) That's an ignorant analogy, and you should know better. Not even remotely the same. Like operating a snowblower requires any sort of education -- it does not. This is why you can buy one from Canadian Tire even if you're 11 years old. Operating a water supply? Good grief, do you understand the education one needs for this line of work? Based of your answer, definitely you have zero clue.

And, by the way: what should volunteers be counted on doing? Nothing? People DO volunteer, for many different reasons. I volunteer. Many of my friends do to. You obviously don't like that sort of set-up, which is fine, you don't have to help for free any cause. But everyone benefits from volunteers. And without those types of folks, the city wouldn't be the same. At that applies equally to Kitchener as it does to Toronto, London UK, New York City. Everywhere. Sometimes it is about being a good neighbour.  Sometimes it is about learning to do good.

Quick answer! You didn't answer the simple question. Where's the data?

1) I was very clear, snowplows drive fast and are occasionally involved in fatal collisions, I know of no such case where a sidewalk plow involved in plowing operations was involved in a fatal collision.

Now maybe you've raised other concerns, but I'll point out for seemingly the trillionth time, other cities manage to do this, we aren't some special incompetent flower, where we are the only city which can't plow our sidewalks.

2) So then why don't we have volunteers clear the roads, and let the professionals handle the sidewalks?  Or do the grass cutting in summer.  Why is it that the ONLY public service you bellieve should be handled by free child labor is sidewalk clearing?

Your accusation that I don't volunteer is ignorant, I don't have to answer to you, but making assumptions makes an ass out of you.

No, I didn't fall for your bullshit "trap" argument, I called it out...like all false arguments should be, you want to try a third time?

1) You're 100% ignorant on this topic. So now the snowplough are a danger "to the public" as obviously any sort of fatality wouldn't involve the truck driver (who's max speed will be around 40 kph).

Seemingly trillionth -- I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you know what a trillion is?

What cities have 'managed' to do this fine and with happy customers? Guelph? Ottawa? Some part of Toronto? Ask the man on his mobility device in an suburban centre how his trip went after the storm. I have. Not good. Not happy. "But, they can only do so much...but they should though concentrate on areas where disabled people live..."

And the city DOES plow sidewalks -- just not the entire city. How the hell else would I know that operators have suffered driving this contraptions? Bolded the above for context to my answer.

2) Again, this shows your ignorance in snow removal operations: Meditate on this: teens don't have their full license. Teens can't work 12 hour days and go to school. Teens don't have DZ training and license (D for truck over 24,000 pounds, Z is Air Brake endorsement). Teens can't be 'on-call' for snow removal. Does the city want to spend millions training hundreds of people to get their DZ license to have them only available for a few hours -- maybe? Really, that's your solution?

Second, where did I say that the only public service I "bellieve" should be done by child labour? Child labour, as mandated by the previous Liberal government, never specified what children can and couldn't do, as long as it was safe. Personally, I don't give a rats ass what these kids do. They wanna work at a community centre? Sure. Old age home? Sure. I don't care of the what and where. I was making a suggestion which clearly offended you, for whatever reason. When I was a kid, I shovelled, for free, my elderly neighbours sidewalk. I guess I was a victim of child labour.

And no, no point about me going on with my so-called 'bullshit argument trap'. as clearly you can't handle the truth.

As for my assumption with about volunteerism: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and looks like a duck, it's 100% duck. Your kind works about volunteering shows your viewpoint on it. You wouldn't be so quick to call it child labour if you had a positive viewpoint on this.