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(03-21-2018, 08:57 PM)Canard Wrote: Wonderful!
I remember as a little kid being at a friend's house. His Aunt from Toronto was over. I asked her "Do you ride on the trolley?" and she had no idea what I was talking about. She eventually realized I was talking about streetcars.
Looks like it was done by the same folks who did Rocky Mountain Express (Also IMAX).
Quote:The Trolley will have its World Premiere at the Hot Docs Canadian International Documentary Festival on Saturday, May 5 at the Cinesphere, Ontario Place at 3PM EST.
I thought the "Giant Golf Ball" was a victim of the OP closure..... glad to see it's still in use!
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I've biked through there twice, now - they've done a nice job at the "left" end with all the new stuff, and the "right" side is all original abandoned Ontario Place buildings - which makes me sad (to see them abandoned) but I love going through there and the fact that they're still standing.
https://twitter.com/Canardiain/status/97...3277581312
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Alstom is opening a new light rail manufacturing facility in Brampton at 7 Blair Drive:
https://www.inbrampton.com/hundreds-of-n...o-brampton
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A preferred DBFM bidder has been picked for Finch West: 'Mosaic Transit Group', led by Aecon, Arup, and ACS. http://www.infrastructureontario.ca/Pref...l-Transit/
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(04-12-2018, 10:10 AM)KevinL Wrote: A preferred DBFM bidder has been picked for Finch West: 'Mosaic Transit Group', led by Aecon, Arup, and ACS. http://www.infrastructureontario.ca/Pref...l-Transit/
...and the contract has now been signed, just in time for the election. http://www.infrastructureontario.ca/Fina...l-Transit/
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(05-07-2018, 03:40 PM)KevinL Wrote: (04-12-2018, 10:10 AM)KevinL Wrote: A preferred DBFM bidder has been picked for Finch West: 'Mosaic Transit Group', led by Aecon, Arup, and ACS. http://www.infrastructureontario.ca/Pref...l-Transit/
...and the contract has now been signed, just in time for the election. http://www.infrastructureontario.ca/Fina...l-Transit/
What's a semi-exclusive lane? It's exclusive except when cars are parked there? 
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Interesting that it's costing about 4.8x the cost of ION.
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(05-07-2018, 05:41 PM)Canard Wrote: Interesting that it's costing about 4.8x the cost of ION.
Where did you get 4.8x??
The ION is costing $1.9B vs $2.5B for this Finch Line.
(Older article, so the final cost of ION might be higher: https://www.therecord.com/news-story/488...-released/)
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A few reasons:
- Inflation
- Wider road to be rebuilt the entire route
- Full route is on the same road, all a major thoroughfare for this part of town (we had large portions off-road)
- Full route is relatively dense, meaning more utilities and larger utilities to replace
- Finch West station portal is underground
- Toronto means things cost more regardless of what
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(05-07-2018, 09:05 PM)jeffster Wrote: (05-07-2018, 05:41 PM)Canard Wrote: Interesting that it's costing about 4.8x the cost of ION.
Where did you get 4.8x??
The ION is costing $1.9B vs $2.5B for this Finch Line.
(Older article, so the final cost of ION might be higher: https://www.therecord.com/news-story/488...-released/)
While it is strange to include the 30 year operations budget, they appear to have done so for the Finch Line announcement as well, which may have led to the original 4.8x cost estimate, I'm not sure.
However, the routes are different length, with Finch being 11 km to our 19 km.
By my math Finch is working out to 2.3x the per mile cost of our LRT. timio lays out some pretty reasonable explanations for why. Timio's explanations show why it's really quite hard to compare costs between systems.
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The Finch line's western end, at Humber College, will also be underground. So that's two tunnel portals.
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(05-07-2018, 09:05 PM)jeffster Wrote: (05-07-2018, 05:41 PM)Canard Wrote: Interesting that it's costing about 4.8x the cost of ION.
Where did you get 4.8x??
The ION is costing $1.9B vs $2.5B for this Finch Line.
(Older article, so the final cost of ION might be higher: https://www.therecord.com/news-story/488...-released/)
I believe the ION is “costing” $880M. The $1.9G figure is, to my knowledge, the Grandlinq contract value, which includes some but not all of the $880M. It excludes money for the vehicles, not to mention property acquisition and I think some other smaller costs. Normally the “cost” of something does not include a certain number of years of its operating expenses. If we were talking about a house there would be no question that the “cost” is the purchase price, not purchase price plus several years worth of taxes and utilities.
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(05-08-2018, 06:34 AM)ijmorlan Wrote: I believe the ION is “costing” $880M. The $1.9G figure is, to my knowledge, the Grandlinq contract value, which includes some but not all of the $880M. It excludes money for the vehicles, not to mention property acquisition and I think some other smaller costs. Normally the “cost” of something does not include a certain number of years of its operating expenses. If we were talking about a house there would be no question that the “cost” is the purchase price, not purchase price plus several years worth of taxes and utilities.
The new total is $868 million and that includes the cost of the vehicles, land acquisition, utility relocation. If you take even some of those expenses out you realize how inexpensive the actual construction portion of the project actually is, especially relative to other North American projects.
Also of note, they have only spent 3/4 of the land acquisition budget and have paid for about 1/2 of the vehicles so far (as of 31-Oct-2017).
Everyone move to the back of the bus and we all get home faster.
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(05-08-2018, 08:09 AM)Pheidippides Wrote: The new total is $868 million and that includes the cost of the vehicles, land acquisition, utility relocation. If you take even some of those expenses out you realize how inexpensive the actual construction portion of the project actually is, especially relative to other North American projects.
Also of note, they have only spent 3/4 of the land acquisition budget and have paid for about 1/2 of the vehicles so far (as of 31-Oct-2017).
Thanks for the up-to-date numbers. Re: land acquisition, at this point I’m guessing that it’s mostly that they ended up spending less than originally thought? It seems there can’t be much if any more land acquisition to complete.
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I factored in the length. I calculated it by using .87bn for our line, the 2.5bn quoted for Finch, and the fact that ours is 19 km and theirs is 11 km. So that's 4.8x, simple math.
But I was wrong, as ijmorlan pointed out in the ion thread, since their 2.5bn figure includes ops. Their construction cost is 1.2bn. But that's still like 2x the cost per kilometre of ours.
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