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Homer Watson and Ottawa Three Lane Roundabouts
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Roundabouts have been for about the last fifteen years the fashionable trend among urban planners. Therefore they are dropped willy-nilly anywhere and everywhere whether they make sense or not.
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#12
(01-22-2015, 09:35 AM)jamincan Wrote: Maybe they should put signs up prior to entering the roundabout reminding drivers to watch for pedestrians and cyclists. ... Maybe they need to install speed bumps on the exits to the roundabouts.

Signs don't really do much to affect behavior. The biggest influence is the design - there is a world of difference between the highway-offramp-style roundabouts the Region is building, and the Dutch style that have narrower lanes, sharper turns into and out of the roundabout, shorter crossing distances for pedestrians, etc.
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#13
We just need to include roundabout test in Driver License now... or is it already included?
I imagine many people would fail badly...ha

I support roundabouts, but 3-lane may be too crazy for KW people
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(01-22-2015, 09:39 AM)BuildingScout Wrote: Roundabouts have been for about the last fifteen years the fashionable trend among urban planners. Therefore they are dropped willy-nilly anywhere and everywhere whether they make sense or not.
That's more of a civil engineering/road design concern than an urban planning one.

(01-22-2015, 11:14 AM)jerryhung Wrote: We just need to include roundabout test in Driver License now... or is it already included?
I imagine many people would fail badly...ha

I support roundabouts, but 3-lane may be too crazy for KW people

Roundabouts are part of the driver training curriculum (both in class and the road test portion). I'm unsure as to whether its been incorporated into the licensing test itself. It probably wouldn't hurt, especially in Waterloo Region. 
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(01-22-2015, 11:06 AM)mpd618 Wrote:
(01-22-2015, 09:35 AM)jamincan Wrote: Maybe they should put signs up prior to entering the roundabout reminding drivers to watch for pedestrians and cyclists. ... Maybe they need to install speed bumps on the exits to the roundabouts.

Signs don't really do much to affect behavior. The biggest influence is the design - there is a world of difference between the highway-offramp-style roundabouts the Region is building, and the Dutch style that have narrower lanes, sharper turns into and out of the roundabout, shorter crossing distances for pedestrians, etc.

In Europe large roundabouts and/or roundabouts that support heavy traffic have one more distinguishing feature: Overpasses/underpasses for pedestrians and cyclists. 

Yes this costs more. A lot more. Evidently Europeans value human life a lot more than do our local planners and politicians.
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(01-22-2015, 11:36 AM)YKF Wrote:
(01-22-2015, 09:39 AM)BuildingScout Wrote: Roundabouts have been for about the last fifteen years the fashionable trend among urban planners. Therefore they are dropped willy-nilly anywhere and everywhere whether they make sense or not.
That's more of a civil engineering/road design concern than an urban planning one.


(01-22-2015, 11:14 AM)jerryhung Wrote: We just need to include roundabout test in Driver License now... or is it already included?
I imagine many people would fail badly...ha

I support roundabouts, but 3-lane may be too crazy for KW people

Roundabouts are part of the driver training curriculum (both in class and the road test portion). I'm unsure as to whether its been incorporated into the licensing test itself. It probably wouldn't hurt, especially in Waterloo Region. 

I've taken the both lessons and the G2 test (because I let in expire the first time whoops) in Kitchener and Brampton.

You skim it essentially if you're learning it in the GTA. I was taking a driving lesson over here in Brampton recently and when I asked about roundabouts, my instructor looked at me like I had a second head. They're planning and have a built a few over here, but mostly on minor arterial/community collectors in the new urbanist suburbs (AKA on the outskirts).

Meanwhile, over here in KW, they're pretty aggressive about making people learn roundabouts. The issue is there isn't any really big ones near the driving centre, just a small one nearby. I only really practiced at the one at Margaret/Union, which is a bump.

I'm sure if you were taking your driving lessons in the south end of Kitchener, you'd probably practice on the big ones.
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#17
During my in-car driver training session, my instructor made me go on the expressway from Fischer Hallman Blvd. to Trussler Rd., at which point he instructed me to drive up Ira. Needles Blvd. until I reached Erb. When I got to Erb, he told me that we were going back to the expressway (along Ira Needles, obviously). For a new driver, I got quite the fix of roundabouts that day.

As an aside, after the Ira Needles adventure came the endless one-way streets of Uptown Waterloo.
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(01-22-2015, 09:39 AM)BuildingScout Wrote: Roundabouts have been for about the last fifteen years the fashionable trend among urban planners. Therefore they are dropped willy-nilly anywhere and everywhere whether they make sense or not.

I think you should say ... been around in the Waterloo Region.  They've been around far longer than that in general.

I've lived in England and Holland, where roundabouts are extremely common for small city streets through to interchanges on larger 2-3 lane streets.  They work there and are not contentious.

I think here it is a matter of education and experience.... for the users and the city planners.  God knows a badly planned round about is worse than any of its alternatives Smile.
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#19
The problem is that existing drivers really don't get any education about how to deal with them. If the police were to do some sort of enforcement campaign, you could tv and radio stations talking about it, people might talk about it at the water cooler and so on, and then people might actually start to be conscientious of what they are doing in a roundabout because there may actually be consequences for not following the rules.
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(01-23-2015, 09:25 AM)jamincan Wrote: The problem is that existing drivers really don't get any education about how to deal with them. If the police were to do some sort of enforcement campaign, you could tv and radio stations talking about it, people might talk about it at the water cooler and so on, and then people might actually start to be conscientious of what they are doing in a roundabout because there may actually be consequences for not following the rules.

The issue with that is the MTO refuses to standardize any regulations regarding their use, so there's no consensus across jurisdictions on what is the proper way to behave near a roundabout.
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