03-22-2017, 04:05 PM
"Lets take a small business owner with some vehicles on the road. 3 vehicles run a red in a day, and they lose their CVOR rating, and shut the company down for a month?"
This is why I tried to add the caveat about waiting for notification. The idea being that while I think the small business owner is ultimately responsible for his employees and his vehicles - he needs to be given opportunities to address the problem. So, I agree, 3 vehicles running a red in one day shouldn't shut his company down. His vehicles running red lights consistently month-after-month certainly is (imo).
"If my wife is a bad driver, should I have my licence suspended?"
Sort of the same answer. As a married couple you take certain responsibilities for each other. Ideally, your wife would admit to the infractions or you'd address the issue before it gets to license suspension. But if you both stayed quiet and all we know is that the vehicle was repeatedly breaking the law - I don't really see why we should shrug our shoulders and let it keep happening.
I knew when growing up that if I did something wrong in my parents car, I wasn't getting to drive the car again anytime soon.
"And if we add "limited liability" offences (ie. Red Light Camera), then we might as well demerit others (ie. parking)"
I, personally, lean towards just doing this for safety related offense - which parking rarely is. But, in the times when it is safety related, then yes I'd have no problem with that. Again, look at what we do with the big shipping companies. They pay parking fines just as a cost of business. And ultimately they're either doing something that's not that bad and we're fine with just having them pay for "special parking" places, or we should step up our punishment so that it's actually effective.
"My second quoted comment was made purely tongue-in-cheek, and I apologize if you were offended in any way."
I'm never offended.
But I didn't realize it was purely tongue-in-cheek. So no worries.
This is why I tried to add the caveat about waiting for notification. The idea being that while I think the small business owner is ultimately responsible for his employees and his vehicles - he needs to be given opportunities to address the problem. So, I agree, 3 vehicles running a red in one day shouldn't shut his company down. His vehicles running red lights consistently month-after-month certainly is (imo).
"If my wife is a bad driver, should I have my licence suspended?"
Sort of the same answer. As a married couple you take certain responsibilities for each other. Ideally, your wife would admit to the infractions or you'd address the issue before it gets to license suspension. But if you both stayed quiet and all we know is that the vehicle was repeatedly breaking the law - I don't really see why we should shrug our shoulders and let it keep happening.
I knew when growing up that if I did something wrong in my parents car, I wasn't getting to drive the car again anytime soon.
"And if we add "limited liability" offences (ie. Red Light Camera), then we might as well demerit others (ie. parking)"
I, personally, lean towards just doing this for safety related offense - which parking rarely is. But, in the times when it is safety related, then yes I'd have no problem with that. Again, look at what we do with the big shipping companies. They pay parking fines just as a cost of business. And ultimately they're either doing something that's not that bad and we're fine with just having them pay for "special parking" places, or we should step up our punishment so that it's actually effective.
"My second quoted comment was made purely tongue-in-cheek, and I apologize if you were offended in any way."
I'm never offended.
But I didn't realize it was purely tongue-in-cheek. So no worries.