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High-Speed Rail (HSR) - Toronto/Pearson/Kitchener/London
(02-13-2018, 01:37 PM)jamincan Wrote: Honestly, at this point you have to wonder if it isn't just a make-work program for retired transportation experts and politicians.

Yes!

Good six figure jobs for political hacks are the perks of political incest!
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https://twitter.com/berryonline/status/9...99904?s=19

I smell an election coming up
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Oh yes, beloved promises which are meaningless.
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(03-29-2018, 06:13 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: Oh yes, beloved promises which are meaningless.

Or, if not meaningless, can be tossed by the next government.
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(03-29-2018, 07:09 AM)panamaniac Wrote:
(03-29-2018, 06:13 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: Oh yes, beloved promises which are meaningless.

Or, if not meaningless, can be tossed by the next government.

Isn't this being put in the budget?

It's hardly meaningless then.  It's real money that's being planned.

If we vote for a government which cancels it, that's on *US* not the government.
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(03-29-2018, 07:16 AM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(03-29-2018, 07:09 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Or, if not meaningless, can be tossed by the next government.

Isn't this being put in the budget?

It's hardly meaningless then.  It's real money that's being planned.

If we vote for a government which cancels it, that's on *US* not the government.

Indeed, where "US" = Ontario.  At this moment, I make no predictions, latest polls notwithstanding.
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(03-29-2018, 07:16 AM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(03-29-2018, 07:09 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Or, if not meaningless, can be tossed by the next government.

Isn't this being put in the budget?

It's hardly meaningless then.  It's real money that's being planned.

If we vote for a government which cancels it, that's on *US* not the government.

While I agree with the general principle written above there's also the reality that the Liberals are very unlikely to win this election and they know it.  It's easy to put something huge in the budget when you think you won't be around to see it through.  This would be a lot more meaningful if it was in last years budget.

This budget is transparently an election platform and I don't think it was put together in good faith.  It will be interesting to see what happens to it if the Liberals manage to hang on.  (Fwiw, I'm all for this stuff)
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(03-29-2018, 08:33 AM)JoeKW Wrote:
(03-29-2018, 07:16 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: Isn't this being put in the budget?

It's hardly meaningless then.  It's real money that's being planned.

If we vote for a government which cancels it, that's on *US* not the government.

While I agree with the general principle written above there's also the reality that the Liberals are very unlikely to win this election and they know it.  It's easy to put something huge in the budget when you think you won't be around to see it through.  This would be a lot more meaningful if it was in last years budget.

This budget is transparently an election platform and I don't think it was put together in good faith.  It will be interesting to see what happens to it if the Liberals manage to hang on.  (Fwiw, I'm all for this stuff)

While this is fair enough, I do think that it being in the budget makes it a little bit more than a "meaningless promise".  The budget is a platform, but it is also a budget, and thus carries a little more weight than the platform of any other party.

The idea that they think they might lose and thus are willing to put things in the budget they wouldn't otherwise is interesting.
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(03-29-2018, 10:22 AM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(03-29-2018, 08:33 AM)JoeKW Wrote: While I agree with the general principle written above there's also the reality that the Liberals are very unlikely to win this election and they know it.  It's easy to put something huge in the budget when you think you won't be around to see it through.  This would be a lot more meaningful if it was in last years budget.

This budget is transparently an election platform and I don't think it was put together in good faith.  It will be interesting to see what happens to it if the Liberals manage to hang on.  (Fwiw, I'm all for this stuff)

While this is fair enough, I do think that it being in the budget makes it a little bit more than a "meaningless promise".  The budget is a platform, but it is also a budget, and thus carries a little more weight than the platform of any other party.

The idea that they think they might lose and thus are willing to put things in the budget they wouldn't otherwise is interesting.

I agree it is not entirely meaningless.  But it is still a long way from being a hard commitment.  The government similarly made commitments to HWY 7 how long ago and we are still several years away from that being completed.    Even if the libs win they will have ample opportunity and ability to not follow thru on this.
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Except Hwy 7 is happening, and I can absolutely guatentee if Ford gets in, HSR is the first thing he’d cancel. Sad

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Yeah, I've seen a few comparisons to Hwy 7 - but I'm not sure people realize that its in progress and has been for a few years now. If the Government treats HSR in the next term the same way they treated Hwy 7 this last term, we'd be doing really well.
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Well, let's give them a chance!

The alternative is... horrific.
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It's early for me to be decided completely, but I'll probably vote Green. Big Grin
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I hate to sound like I'm throwing cold water, but the main construction contact for Highway 7 has not been announced, and therefore presumably not signed. I hope it gets signed before a new government comes in with a budget axe.

Putting big dollars for HSR in the long term budget is a promising sign, but really only a forecast in my opinion. The thing is real when a contract is signed. Unless it's a politically unpopular gas plant or an EH-101 helicopter or the like.

To be clear, I want both the highway and HSR. I've ridden high speed trains in Europe, and think they would greatly improve travel in Ontario.
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All of the land for highway 7 has been bought. Major construction has started in Kitchener. Preliminary work has belong all along the route. I don't think its worth reading very much into the fact that the main contract hasn't been signed yet. I highly doubt any of the parties would kill the remaining work.
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