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Cambridge Multi-Sports Complex [Proposed]
#46
(05-18-2016, 03:17 PM)clasher Wrote: More icepads but no location

Looks like the price for the place keeps going up despite no location being finalized. I wonder if the "no sportsplex" side will start to become more vocal than the those arguing about location. Seems like a a huge amount of money.

It was interesting, the ceiling height for the gym hasn't been nailed down, so they might not be able to host volleyball tournaments even though they want to build it near the 401 to make it easier to hold tournaments. Might not get enough or long enough swim lanes to be able to host swim meets. And they have no financial plan to understand if it is worthwhile to build a complex big enough to host tournaments.

I'm starting to wonder if they have done any cost analysis to understand if it makes sense to build it all as one facility or 3 different facilities. There would be some overhead and administration expenses that would be saved if it was one building but it seems like having it as one building is making it difficult to find locations for it in the city. As three separate facilities it might be easier to locate them in the city. 2 additional ice rinks to the ice park and refurbish existing ones instead of closing them (minimizes additional overhead and equipment for ice rinks tend to support 2 rinks), add a double/triple gym to Hespeler Arena (minimizes additional administration and overhead), and see if some sort of swimming pool could be located in Riverside park, they use to have an outdoor one, not sure what it would take to rebuild it and put a building around it to make it a year round facility. They have the space that use to be a farm that has been under used for ages. 

Speaking to some people there I found out about this interesting quote from 2012.

“It’s very clear we had also said to John in the future the city was willing to look at partnership of some sort, an arena/convention centre kind of complex."

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/2596...ew-campus/
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#47
Luisa d'Amato rues the situation in her column:
http://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/6...cambridge/

Lose-lose is right.
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#48
http://m.therecord.com/opinion-story/682...rking-plan

Someone did the math and the 17 acres that council says is needed is too high. The task force is only responsible for choose a location for a 17 acre site instead of the best possible solution.

For example having a pool and an ice rink in the same building isn't ideal due to the humidity that the pool creates.

Unfortunately at the Sept meeting for the task force they didn't choose to go back to council and ask to be allowed to consider smaller locations that could work.
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#49
(09-10-2016, 12:03 PM)darts Wrote: For example having a pool and an ice rink in the same building isn't ideal due to the humidity that the pool creates.

How does Waterloo avoid this problem? Are the swimplex and rink technically separate 'buildings'?
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#50
(09-10-2016, 06:08 PM)DHLawrence Wrote:
(09-10-2016, 12:03 PM)darts Wrote: For example having a pool and an ice rink in the same building isn't ideal due to the humidity that the pool creates.

How does Waterloo avoid this problem? Are the swimplex and rink technically separate 'buildings'?

They are in all appearances in the same building, but perhaps it costs more to operate to deal with this? What's the benefit to a single large site with both a pool and ice rinks compared to two separate smaller sites?
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#51
(09-10-2016, 06:34 PM)curiouschair Wrote:
(09-10-2016, 06:08 PM)DHLawrence Wrote: How does Waterloo avoid this problem? Are the swimplex and rink technically separate 'buildings'?

They are in all appearances in the same building, but perhaps it costs more to operate to deal with this? What's the benefit to a single large site with both a pool and ice rinks compared to two separate smaller sites?

Probably fewer total staff.
Everyone move to the back of the bus and we all get home faster.
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#52
are 4 ice rinks really necessary??!? I mean, basketball is the most popular played sport among youth in Canada today, yet only one basketball court?
How does that make sense?
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#53
Neighbourhood parks have basketball courts. Schools have basketball courts.
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#54
(09-10-2016, 08:04 PM)jordan2423 Wrote: are 4 ice rinks really necessary??!? I mean, basketball is the most popular played sport among youth in Canada today, yet only one basketball court?
How does that make sense?

Source?

I googled "most popular played sport among youth in Canada" and basketball wasn't mentioned at the top of any lists on the first page. Just curious...
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#55
Quote: For players aged three to 17, basketball ranks as the third most popular team sport in Canada, behind soccer and hockey, with 354,000 participants

Sources:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basketball...-1.3438486
http://www.srgnet.com/2014/06/10/massive...ts-market/
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#56
(09-10-2016, 06:08 PM)DHLawrence Wrote:
(09-10-2016, 12:03 PM)darts Wrote: For example having a pool and an ice rink in the same building isn't ideal due to the humidity that the pool creates.

How does Waterloo avoid this problem? Are the swimplex and rink technically separate 'buildings'?
install a very very good dehumidifier for the ice pads
(09-10-2016, 06:34 PM)curiouschair Wrote:
(09-10-2016, 06:08 PM)DHLawrence Wrote: How does Waterloo avoid this problem? Are the swimplex and rink technically separate 'buildings'?

They are in all appearances in the same building, but perhaps it costs more to operate to deal with this? What's the benefit to a single large site with both a pool and ice rinks compared to two separate smaller sites?
one attendant would be doing bookings for the building, a support staff in theory could be pooled.  Of course this could be done too if they added onto an existing facility.
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#57
(09-10-2016, 06:34 PM)curiouschair Wrote:
(09-10-2016, 06:08 PM)DHLawrence Wrote: How does Waterloo avoid this problem? Are the swimplex and rink technically separate 'buildings'?

They are in all appearances in the same building, but perhaps it costs more to operate to deal with this? What's the benefit to a single large site with both a pool and ice rinks compared to two separate smaller sites?


You save a little bit with staff. If you think the way Kitchener does things, community centres, pools and rinks, all separated, so technically you'd need, for example, rental staff for all three, part-time. You could probably get a way with 2 part-time at one large building so you save cash there. Rather than have 3 full-time office co-ordinators, you could have 1 full-time and 1 part-time.

Disadvantage of a all-in-one is that it's in 1 community, rather than spread out into 3 different communities. Access is harder since it not close to everyone.

It's sad that there continues to be fighting between the 3 large cities in the region, plus even more fighting with the 3 cities within Cambridge.
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#58
Maybe the taxpayers in Blair should rally that its not fair to put a city facility in Galt/Preston/Hespeler, as they have zero facilities as of now...

Coke
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#59
They'd put it at Conestoga; that is Blair.
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#60
(09-15-2016, 07:52 PM)DHLawrence Wrote: They'd put it at Conestoga; that is Blair.

That was my point... Wink
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