08-10-2016, 06:28 PM
(08-10-2016, 05:54 PM)BuildingScout Wrote:(08-10-2016, 05:29 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Real data? You mean tracking how long people actually take to traverse that street? Well, then given that most people don't follow the speed limit, that would only reinforce what i said, if you follow the speed limit, it takes considerably longer than 3 minutes.
It's a distance of 1.1km which per Google takes 3 minutes, i.e. an average driving speed of 22Km/h. At those average speeds I don't think driving at the speed limit would make it "considerably longer".
Average speed is misleading because it includes time waiting at lights and stop signs.
For example, the average speed of the "Joseph" detour is only 17 km/h, somehow slower than the road with a 30 km/h limit.
And given that this Google data is no doubt coloured by the current and certainly temporary LRT detours, I think it's fair to say that back of napkin or Google Maps calculations are not going to win any debates here, none of them take into account the majority of the actual traffic impacts.
Regardless, we're talking about a few minutes. For me, I don't think that convenience is worth giving up a car free park. Others obviously disagree.
Again, if there was no road there, we wouldn't be having this discussion, I don't think anybody would suggest putting it in. Just as we aren't discussing putting one in Waterloo Park, which is instead removing even more cars, and building a central Promenade.