02-12-2022, 01:22 PM
(02-12-2022, 01:15 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(02-12-2022, 01:11 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Here is a question for you folks...
How would you be responding to a proposal where our main downtown cycle grid will use shared bus/bike lanes?
Because this is exactly what is being proposed for Duke St.
It's amazing what a little framing will do.
It’s obviously no good for either.
Buses will get held up by bicycles, and many bicyclists will feel rushed or unsafe.
Although I think you were right when you said the actual plan is effectively just not to accommodate bicycles and keep bicycle traffic to a hardcore minority.
Yeah, I think that's the regional plan. I mean, whether they think its the intention, or whether they just don't believe cycling is a thing that will happen (and so create self fulfilling prophecies) I don't know. I first encountered this when I was part of the Moving Forward 2020 plan...where they said that their modeling showed that even if they built a huge protected, comprehensive, and connected network they wouldn't get significant usage....I asked them how their modeling worked and they, completely seriously explained that it's based on what uptick in cycling they get from building one disconnected, mediocre piece of infra. It was around that point, I realized that talking to staff was pointless.
But I was actually talking about the response to this. I know several cycling advocates who are positioning this as a win. I think they feel this is the best we can get, which frankly, I think is silly, we should aim higher. But I think it's also a little bit about the positioning. If this was positioned as a bus/bike lane, how much worse would it be received by the public.