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Cycling in Waterloo Region
(10-05-2018, 08:57 AM)robdrimmie Wrote: I strongly prefer it for cars to enter the bike lane to turn right. It's WAY safer than them cutting across the lane. It clearly communicates their intent and it prevents them cutting cyclists off, or cyclists riding into them while they turn. It's what's recommended by the MoT. Turning right from the right most lane is the most correct action in the vast majority of cases, regardless of the paint. White paint is to discourage lane changes, not to indicate that they are illegal.

I thought continuous lines were illegal to cross. Are you sure they are only advisory?
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(10-05-2018, 01:20 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: I thought continuous lines were illegal to cross. Are you sure they are only advisory?

Apparently (as of 2015) all painted lines in Ontario are advisory, so it's not even technically illegal to cross a yellow line, even the double yellow line.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-dr...e25498287/
https://www.ontario.ca/document/official...t-markings

It's often not safe to pass the lines, and they should be followed (and the G&M article states that signage is legally binding).

The MoT's language on all of this is really fuzzy, which I find deeply frustrating. I'd love a clear answer, but it doesn't exist that I've seen. The handbook does explicitly state:

Sharing the road with other road users Wrote:Bike lanes are reserved for cyclists. They are typically marked by a solid white line. Sometimes you will need to enter or cross a bike lane to turn right at a corner or driveway. (See Diagram 2-12) Take extra care when you do this. Enter the bike lane only after ensuring that you can do so safely, and then make the turn.

https://www.ontario.ca/document/official...#section-1

The section on Right turns is somewhat contradictory though:

Changing directions Wrote:Unless signs or pavement markings tell you not to, always begin and end a right turn close to the right side of the road.

To make a right turn, signal well before the turn and move into the right-hand lane when the way is clear. If the right-hand lane is not marked, keep as far to the right of the road as possible. Look ahead, left, right and left again before starting to turn. If you have not seen any smaller vehicles or pedestrians, check your right rear blind spot. Let cyclists, limited-speed motorcycles, or moped riders go through the intersection before you turn. When it is safe, complete your turn into the right-hand lane of the road you are entering.

From a safety perspective, if a car takes up the bike lane while turning right, cyclists can't be there. That results in much less concern about right hooks, a term I learned from the video jamincan posted. It's well worth watching, though doesn't specifically address this topic. The video also recommends cyclists take the lane when going straight to reduce the likelihood of right hooks and other intersection collisions, a practice which I'm likely to start following.

On a personal note, I also stay around 3 cars back at most intersections, even when there is a bike lane (and often even when there's a bike box, which I feel are poorly understood by most road users), to allow the intersection to clear before I ride through and to afford any vehicles turning right the opportunity to do so, but I haven't seen any information explicitly suggesting this practice it's just something I do that makes me feel more comfortable.

Edit to add this article from 2017, which took me a bit to find but is the one that originally changed my mind on cars in bike lanes when turning right (and only when turning right): https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-dr...e34015444/
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(10-05-2018, 12:27 PM)Spokes Wrote: That's always bugged me, that some roads are regional responsibility, and other city.  

Argument for amalgamation?

I think it's more argument for uploading responsibility to the Region, an alternative to amalgamation I think I first saw discussed here, and that I'm increasingly in favour of. I haven't formed any strong opinion about what things should or shouldn't be uploaded, but roads, pipes, public transportation, all those things should be consistent at least through Kitchener and Waterloo and I think a strong argument can be made for Cambridge as well. They're all such tightly coupled systems that respecting municipal boundaries seems likely to introduce problems - my favourite is travelling along Westmount or the IHT in winter and knowing exactly where the cities handover responsibility, down to the centimetre it seems.
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I had heard that the new, brief cycling lanes on Erb, between Caroline and Menno, were poorly done so I went to check it out.

The end of the lane going WB is bad, but at least understandable - at some point when they re-do the road it will continue.

The beginning of the WB lane is far worse in my mind because we are stuck with it for 30-50 years now when it easily could have been avoided. The turning transition from the Laurel Trail to the cycling lane is actually pretty well done, but then the lane ends and you have to merge in to a motor vehicle lane for about 20-30m before the lane starts up again:
   

The end of the EB lane could have been done better as well (on ramp to the MUT?). I'm not sure how the plan to continue that to the east in the future.
   
Everyone move to the back of the bus and we all get home faster.
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What the actual shit!

This boggles my mind...
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There are so many ways to fix that beginning of the lane. Sadly none were taken.
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A cyclist was struck while riding on the Conestoga Parkway in the middle of the day yesterday.

https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1509149
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SAFETY MEASURES FOR CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS AROUND HEAVY VEHICLES SUMMARY REPORT - Government of Canada, June 2018
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(10-10-2018, 09:01 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: I had heard that the new, brief cycling lanes on Erb, between Caroline and Menno, were poorly done so I went to check it out.

The end of the lane going WB is bad, but at least understandable - at some point when they re-do the road it will continue.

The beginning of the WB lane is far worse in my mind because we are stuck with it for 30-50 years now when it easily could have been avoided. The turning transition from the Laurel Trail to the cycling lane is actually pretty well done, but then the lane ends and you have to merge in to a motor vehicle lane for about 20-30m before the lane starts up again:


The end of the EB lane could have been done better as well (on ramp to the MUT?). I'm not sure how the plan to continue that to the east in the future.

If a civil engineer signed off on this they should lose their license. Appalling.
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(10-10-2018, 09:14 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: What the actual shit!

This boggles my mind...

This.  All kinds of this.
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Looking back at my photos I realize now that if the had just shifted the road to the north 1m or 2m then the WB lane would have aligned AND the EB would have room to continue going east without having to move the Ion signal arms.
Everyone move to the back of the bus and we all get home faster.
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(10-11-2018, 07:49 AM)Pheidippides Wrote: Looking back at my photos I realize now that if the had just shifted the road to the north 1m or 2m then the WB lane would have aligned AND the EB would have room to continue going east without having to move the Ion signal arms.

Which is super-easy because westbound traffic only needs one lane at the point, since it consists only of traffic making the right from Bridgeport/Caroline* plus a bus every few minutes turning left.

It’s not even like they made a trade-off and decided to give all the space to motor vehicles; it’s that they just do not care.

* Officially Caroline but anybody driving the stretch probably thinks of it as Bridgeport because it functions as such.
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(10-11-2018, 08:39 AM)ijmorlan Wrote:
(10-11-2018, 07:49 AM)Pheidippides Wrote: Looking back at my photos I realize now that if the had just shifted the road to the north 1m or 2m then the WB lane would have aligned AND the EB would have room to continue going east without having to move the Ion signal arms.

Which is super-easy because westbound traffic only needs one lane at the point, since it consists only of traffic making the right from Bridgeport/Caroline* plus a bus every few minutes turning left.

It’s not even like they made a trade-off and decided to give all the space to motor vehicles; it’s that they just do not care.

* Officially Caroline but anybody driving the stretch probably thinks of it as Bridgeport because it functions as such.

This is entirely on point, and this is the most frustrating thing.

Even when they're forced to care (building a bike lane) often a half ass job is done of it.

Not always the case (Waterloo Park for example), but we are predisposed to remember the bad, and there is lots to remember.
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(10-11-2018, 08:58 AM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(10-11-2018, 08:39 AM)ijmorlan Wrote: Which is super-easy because westbound traffic only needs one lane at the point, since it consists only of traffic making the right from Bridgeport/Caroline* plus a bus every few minutes turning left.

It’s not even like they made a trade-off and decided to give all the space to motor vehicles; it’s that they just do not care.

* Officially Caroline but anybody driving the stretch probably thinks of it as Bridgeport because it functions as such.

This is entirely on point, and this is the most frustrating thing.

Even when they're forced to care (building a bike lane) often a half ass job is done of it.

Not always the case (Waterloo Park for example), but we are predisposed to remember the bad, and there is lots to remember.

My guess is they are different designers. Waterloo Park was most likely done by City designers, whereas I’m guessing Erb St. was done by a Regional transportation road designer. Anyway we’re not asking for everything to be superb; we just want flagrantly abusive urban design not to be perpetrated, and it’s legitimate to insist that it not happen anywhere.

I think enthusiasm for appropriate transportation design varies enormously among municipal staff. I recall the person who provided updates on the Waterloo Park project also regularly tweeted about related issues, and I felt like he was “one of us” (not literally, as I’m not aware that he posts here, but figuratively). By contrast it’s quite clear that many of our Regional designers wish they were working for Robert Moses.
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Guys, seriously, bring this up to local media. Make it a public issue.
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