09-10-2018, 10:01 AM
(09-10-2018, 09:11 AM)Coke6pk Wrote: At the risk of being flamed for this comment....
Its ironic that that this image is being used as an ideal scenario. The street view shown has a lot of bikes parked all over the sidewalk. Is this not exactly what we are complaining about when cars/pedestrians encroach on the bike lane? The bikes shouldn't be encroaching on the pedestrian lanes. It works both ways....
Be gentle with your -1 ratings....
Coke
For reference, I literally picked a street at random in the Netherlands, this was the first one I chose, and it highlighted the specific items I wanted to show. This wasn't meant to be the ideal scenario, merely typical.
As for the specific issues you highlight, I'll say two things.
First, you're right, and bike parking is a major issue in the Netherlands. This is why they build enormous bike parking facilities. It's an issue I wish we had, but it is none the less, an issue. I think it would be ideal if we had so many bikes that they couldn't fit into the enormous amount of bike parking also visible in the area.
Second, I do think that it is it's different. Even pedestrians encroaching the bike lanes is different. It's inconvenient for pedestrians (those who might use wheelchairs often use the bike lanes, so it's a non-issue), to walk around bikes, but not really difficult, or dangerous. That's fundamentally different than when cars are involved and there is a real danger of injury or death. Even when pedestrians walk in the bike lane, I believe there is much less risk, I find it more annoying than dangerous, although still probably more dangerous than walking around parked bikes.
Also, no downvoting involved, this is a totally reasonable point of conversation, added, I believe earnestly.