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King and Victoria Intermodal Station
(07-21-2017, 05:07 PM)kps Wrote:
(07-21-2017, 04:56 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: That really is insane. There has got to be a way to get around this — perhaps some sort of long-term lease, so the construction (other than the transit terminal itself) is the developer’s project, not the Region’s? I’m not generally anti-labor, but the outcome of the ways these laws are set up is idiotic, and the behaviour of union people who are not opposed to what happened is ethically disappointing.

The plan is (and has been for a long time) to sell the land to the developer and rent back the transit part.

Right.  In which case it's not a regional project, and the developer is not bound by the region's rules.
(07-19-2017, 01:51 PM)boatracer Wrote: The pre-qualification stage closed on June 30th.  Looks like there was only one submission from a team with EllisDon as the primary.  Not sure if there is something with how the Region posts results to their website or if there was really only 1 pre-qual submission.  This was supposed to narrow down the teams for the actual RFP.


It is interesting that Perimeter Dev is part of the EllisDon development submission team. Just have not seen or followed these before.
(07-21-2017, 04:49 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: The important point is that only unionized carpenters can work on municipal construction projects, so anyone wanting to bid on the Hub would have to be prepared to use unionized carpenters for the whole thing (and I would think that since there's expectation of a significant office/residential portion, that would not be an inconsequential portion of the work). I don't pretend to know whether most/some/any jobs around here are done with or not with unionized carpenters, mind you.

This is not just a reply to #Viewfromthe42 but for ALL who post in this thread, who have rushed to judgement seeing unions as the scourge of the earth related to the Transit Hub.

There is nothing in fact linking all or any of the assumptions stated in this thread about the Transit Hub RFPQ linking it to "union workers required". 

The truth is no one here, including myself, knows why EllisDon was the only team to bid for the RFQ.

Just like The Waterloo Record this forum thread section, for the last two months, has become a union bashing forum based on assumptions that are incorrect and just built on the last incorrect assumption and the next and ....  

Facts please, not fiction or assumptions that there is even the slightest connections to union requirements. Just because the unnamed  president of a large country can do this, does not mean that everyone can invent their own truths and then build on the narrative as true.
I think the architect/lead designer for that team's submission would be Gensler (world renowned with vast experience in transportation): 

Hey MacBerry,

Maybe I've been mis-reading, but has there been a lot of "union-bashing"? I asked a clarifying question about it being a "Regional Project" at all, and others have asked similar questions or questioned the effects of the Carpenter's Union certification. Only 1 or 2 posts blamed the Union, and I didn't take it as a deliberate bash... but it needed clarification from me.

I personally am a president of my Union's local, and haven't found minimal comments in the thread to be disrespectful. I support the unions, and it's why I don't shop at WalMart (or Sears Wink ).... or why I don't use self-checkout and/or bag my own groceries at the Zehrs. Just my opinion. Smile


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