07-11-2019, 05:27 PM
(07-11-2019, 02:22 PM)timc Wrote:(07-11-2019, 01:31 PM)taylortbb Wrote: As for drivers ignoring the bus-only left turn, I feel like signals could do a lot for that. The signals facing drivers northbound on Caroline should just always be a red light, with a white bar for buses and green arrow for right turns. If a car attempts to make a left they'll just never get a green light, and eventually they'll learn that attempting to turn there is futile (as most won't be willing to blatantly run a red).
As far as I know, a green right turn arrow means that drivers have the right of way. You wouldn't be able to use one at that intersection unless you created a separate pedestrian crossing cycle, or eliminated the crossing on the east side of the intersection.
That appears to only apply to left turns and flashing greens.
Quote:Flashing green
(13) A driver approaching a traffic control signal showing a circular flashing green indication or a solid or flashing left turn green arrow indication in conjunction with a circular green indication and facing the indication may, despite subsection 141 (5), proceed forward or turn left or right unless otherwise directed. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 144 (13).
Green arrow
(14) Every driver approaching a traffic control signal showing one or more green arrow indications only or in combination with a circular red or circular amber indication and facing the indication may proceed only to follow the direction shown by the arrow. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 144 (14).
141 (5) that's referenced by the flashing green section is the requirement that you yield to drivers going the other way. So for the green arrow section there don't appear to be any requirements that it be protected, and the pedestrian crossing section is similar (only applies to left arrows).
Though you're right that drivers might expect it to be a protected right turn. Maybe a separate left turn signal that's always red, with a white bar for buses, would do better.