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(06-29-2017, 06:45 PM)dunkalunk Wrote: New vs. Old and the truck that was blocking bays while changing them during rush hour.

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We now have duplicate Route 8 signs with no destination signage. This specific issue is short term, however I can see more than a few people getting on the wrong branch of other loop routes if the signing convention persists. Image doing this on Route 22. You've suddenly just wasted an hour. Or worse, Route 8 at Charles St Terminal.
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(06-30-2017, 01:34 AM)D40LF Wrote:
(06-29-2017, 06:45 PM)dunkalunk Wrote: New vs. Old and the truck that was blocking bays while changing them during rush hour.

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Does the temporary sign at the bottom have something to do with it?
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The signage actually IS correct here - but it used to show '7 Weber'. That is, it goes east on Fairway to go up Weber towards downtown. The bus sign then shows what route it takes beyond downtown, in this case C to Conestoga.

That 'east on Fairway to go up Weber towards downtown' bit is also known as the 7B on a southbound sign. They've repurposed it in the opposite direction.

And if all of that is too much, well, that's the route 7 alphabet soup for you.
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(07-02-2017, 12:06 PM)KevinL Wrote: The signage actually IS correct here - but it used to show '7 Weber'. That is, it goes east on Fairway to go up Weber towards downtown. The bus sign then shows what route it takes beyond downtown, in this case C to Conestoga.

That 'east on Fairway to go up Weber towards downtown' bit is also known as the 7B on a southbound sign. They've repurposed it in the opposite direction.

And if all of that is too much, well, that's the route 7 alphabet soup for you.

The sign on the stop should always match the sign on the bus.

In any case, the route 7 letters are one-way: there is no such thing as a southbound bus labelled 7C, for example. The 7C goes to Conestoga mall, then turns around and is labelled either just plain 7 if it is terminating at Charles St. terminal, or one of the Fairview-bound letters otherwise. Whether a southbound bus on King at Weber is “really” a 7C is a question of interest only to those who actually run the system and should not be evident to riders, who care only where the bus is going, not where it is coming from. There is a reason why some normal programming languages have a “goto” command but no (normal) languages have a “come from” command.
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(07-02-2017, 12:30 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: The sign on the stop should always match the sign on the bus.

In any case, the route 7 letters are one-way: there is no such thing as a southbound bus labelled 7C, for example. 

Precisely. There is no such thing as a northbound 7B, either. And yet there it is, on a sign at the southern terminus...
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(07-02-2017, 12:40 PM)KevinL Wrote:
(07-02-2017, 12:30 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: The sign on the stop should always match the sign on the bus.

In any case, the route 7 letters are one-way: there is no such thing as a southbound bus labelled 7C, for example. 

Precisely. There is no such thing as a northbound 7B, either. And yet there it is, on a sign at the southern terminus...

I just realized this is at Fairview, not at the downtown terminal. But now I’m confused by your earlier message where I thought you said the sign was correct. To me it seems like signs at Fairview for the 7 should list 7C, 7D, 7E only; or they could just say “7” since most people getting on there won’t care which one they get (anybody who cares is probably better off taking the iXpress).
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It's correct in that the way it leaves the southern part of the route is by the 7B's direction along Weber. The old sign said '7 Weber', avoiding the lettering confusion.
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(10-30-2014, 05:53 PM)Markster Wrote: Word is that the detailed information for the 2015 improvements/changes will be published tomorrow.
They were briefly published on GRT's site, and even had a facebook post about them, but they have since been pulled.  Presumably they weren't quite finished with them!

I look forward to the rampant debates here!

You mean ridership numbers?
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(07-02-2017, 01:54 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:
(07-02-2017, 12:40 PM)KevinL Wrote: Precisely. There is no such thing as a northbound 7B, either. And yet there it is, on a sign at the southern terminus...

I just realized this is at Fairview, not at the downtown terminal. But now I’m confused by your earlier message where I thought you said the sign was correct. To me it seems like signs at Fairview for the 7 should list 7C, 7D, 7E only; or they could just say “7” since most people getting on there won’t care which one they get (anybody who cares is probably better off taking the iXpress).

Unless you change the way the buses enter and exit the Fairview terminal, this isn't possible. As the buses are currently routed, the Connaught/Wilson 7s always depart facing Kingsway, while the Weber 7s always depart facing Fairway. This is for good reason, because that is the direction those buses need to go to get onto those streets.

The fact is that many, many people at the Fairview terminal need to know whether the bus is going down Wilson, Connaught or Weber. In fact, you have it exactly backwards. If a passenger is interested in a C D or E in particular, taking a 200 and switching at Charles St. will frequently get them to their destination faster. If on the other hand, they need to go to, say, Weber/Fergus, telling them the bus is a C D or E after it departs north from Charles St. does not give them useful information at all.

People already ask which flavour of 7 they are boarding. Having a 7C sit at a stop labelled 7B will just compound the confusion.

This will all be cleared up when the Wilson and Weber portions are replaced by other routes, but by that time, there won't be a 7B at all. That makes the decision to label the stops 7B and 7A/F at Fairview even more mind-boggling.
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