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GO Transit
(12-21-2018, 11:34 AM)SammyOES Wrote: Ok, I consider shrinking a currently high growth, high value industry to be killing it.  But sure, "killing" is probably an unhelpful word.

I'm not sure what else there is to say, but the industry shrinking is really really unlikely (barring major unexpected and unrelated changes to the broader economy or to things like local Universities).

Well, like I said before, I hope you're right, but I don't share your optimism.
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I think that the general behaviour of companies and people in the tech industry right now is that a significant percentage leave. Most of those who leave are those who came for school or work and are already transient. Very few organizations, if any, have published numbers on people who are born and raised here and go to school here and leave.

Over the past decade or two the rate of leaving by both entities has decreased, more people are staying here to work and more companies are staying here. It's a virtuous circle, people start doing great things here and that attracts more people. But it's not a rapid cycle at all. The rate of change is very slow and a lot of great people come here and leave, and a lot of companies have to open additional offices in Toronto, SF or other metropolitan tech hubs. Production in the region, sales in a city is an increasingly common model and that split does have positive aspects (it's Terminal's model, Square and Faire and Shopify all have built local offices due to regional talent) but the degree to which it's sustainable is unknown and motions by the government for improved connections to Toronto are absolutely part of the formula those companies use when making decisions about whether or not to come here or expand operations here.

My opinion is that all-day two-way trains between Kitchener and waterloo would have been a significant catalyst for growth. Without it the community won't suffer too greatly - there's a lot of reasons to come and stay here, more every day. But we won't grow as quickly as we could have, and more great people and companies will leave over the next 5-10 years than would have if the trains were in place. There's a very real opportunity cost that is difficult to measure, but non-trivial.
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(12-21-2018, 11:41 AM)robdrimmie Wrote: My opinion is that all-day two-way trains between Kitchener and waterloo would have been a significant catalyst for growth. Without it the community won't suffer too greatly - there's a lot of reasons to come and stay here, more every day. But we won't grow as quickly as we could have, and more great people and companies will leave over the next 5-10 years than would have if the trains were in place. There's a very real opportunity cost that is difficult to measure, but non-trivial.

I think this is basically where I'm at as well.
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https://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/...oo-region/

Some absurd propaganda about GO service from Amy Fee, Mike Harris, and Belinda Karahalios in today's Record. Absolutely shameless.
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"This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."

This is the thing with these things. If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great. If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election. This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months. And the rest of the people probably just don't care?
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(12-21-2018, 01:01 PM)SammyOES Wrote: "This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."

This is the thing with these things.  If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great.  If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election.  This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months.  And the rest of the people probably just don't care?

The "25% increase" language is what annoys me most. We're not idiots; you're adding one single train per day each way. The only possible reason for using a percentage is to obfuscate. Also, it's been said before, but the "Ontario's government for the people" line sounds like bad satire of promotional material from an authoritarian regime.
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(12-21-2018, 12:49 PM)Bob_McBob Wrote: https://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/...oo-region/

Some absurd propaganda about GO service from Amy Fee, Mike Harris, and Belinda Karahalios in today's Record. Absolutely shameless.

And what’s with this “Ontario’s Government for the People” BS? What next, we’ll officially be renamed the “People’s Democratic Republic of Ontario”? It makes me miss “Canada’s New Government” under Harper.
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(12-21-2018, 02:09 PM)KingandWeber Wrote:
(12-21-2018, 01:01 PM)SammyOES Wrote: "This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."

This is the thing with these things.  If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great.  If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election.  This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months.  And the rest of the people probably just don't care?

The "25% increase" language is what annoys me most. We're not idiots; you're adding one single train per day each way. The only possible reason for using a percentage is to obfuscate. Also, it's been said before, but the "Ontario's government for the people" line sounds like bad satire of promotional material from an authoritarian regime.
When there are 4 trains a day and you add one, it is a 25% increase.    If instead they had dropped a train do you not think the opposition would say its a 33% decrease instead of saying they dropped 1 train?
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Who cares? This is what I mean - this is an issue where it feels like the people that care know exactly what 1 train (either way) means.
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(12-21-2018, 01:01 PM)SammyOES Wrote: "This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."

This is the thing with these things.  If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great.  If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election.  This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months.  And the rest of the people probably just don't care?

My issue with the "25% improvement" is that it's actually a reduction in service for many, if not most riders.  The loss of the express train has cost them several of my coworkers as passengers.

And yes, pulling a rabbit out of a hat is a reasonable metaphor, I have no doubt they'll announce something, that they will dress up and pretend it's frequent all day two way service, but there is no universe where it is the serve that we need or were promised.
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"Loss of express train"?
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One of our morning trains used to skip all stations after Bramalea, and go straight to Union. It now runs local-only.
My Twitter: @KevinLMaps
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Afternoon train (current 1650). The morning train (605) is still express.
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Whoops, got that backwards!
My Twitter: @KevinLMaps
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The 4:50pm express service is very popular with local commuters. The equivalent train in the new schedule leaves at 5:02pm and takes an extra 15 minutes, getting you home nearly 30 minutes later.
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