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ION Stage 3 Speculation - Facts, Theories, Speculation, Rumors!
#21
On the original map, where do the planners currently envision the Highland/Queen route go when it reaches downtown?

It is hard to tell from the map, especially with the red colour of the "existing" iXpress 204 almost on top of the red/yellow of stage 3 (which isn't even the actual existing or future 204 route).
   

It looks like Queen to Charles to Victoria? That would seem to be a difficult route due to the grade and sharp turn and narrow space.

Do they envision the WB stage 3 and the SB stage 1 sharing the Charles track from Victoria @ King to Charles @ Queen?
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#22
Not sure why you put an LRT line on Ira Needles. There won't be much expansion west of it (well, maybe with Doug Ford)... wouldn't it make more sense to put it on Fischer Hallman?
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#23
(06-06-2018, 07:00 PM)JoeKW Wrote: Not sure why you put an LRT line on Ira Needles. There won't be much expansion west of it (well, maybe with Doug Ford)... wouldn't it make more sense to put it on Fischer Hallman?

This was my thinking as well.  But you're right, sadly so much depends on how the next few elections go.

I fear what revering to sprawl oriented policies will do to Ontario.  We think intensification is hard now, just wait.
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#24
I can see a western GO station justifying LRT to it, and Ira Needles has more room for that than Fischer-Hallman.
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#25
(06-06-2018, 08:10 PM)KevinL Wrote: I can see a western GO station justifying LRT to it, and Ira Needles has more room for that than Fischer-Hallman.

There's room for a GO station at either Fischer-Hallman or Ira Needles.

Now there may not be as much room for a gigantic park and ride at Fischer-Hallman, but I hope we're past that type of station planning.  There is certainly more room for growth at Ira Needles, but I think the point is, we don't want to grow in that way.

To jump way outside Phase 3 LRT planning and into the GO Planning universe, that's frankly, something I'd like to see happen at the confirmed station in Breslau, instead of building parking lots, build a complete transit oriented walkable village.
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#26
(06-06-2018, 08:36 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: There's room for a GO station at either Fischer-Hallman or Ira Needles.

Now there may not be as much room for a gigantic park and ride at Fischer-Hallman, but I hope we're past that type of station planning.  There is certainly more room for growth at Ira Needles, but I think the point is, we don't want to grow in that way.

To jump way outside Phase 3 LRT planning and into the GO Planning universe, that's frankly, something I'd like to see happen at the confirmed station in Breslau, instead of building parking lots, build a complete transit oriented walkable village.

We're not.

I agree with you about Breslau: actual transit-oriented development there would be great, if they are set on building the station. But it's likely to be a massive park-and-ride.
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#27
I would be all for a massive Park-and-Ride in Breslau. Stations without parking work great for urban cores. For the rest of the people living outside of downtown, driving and having somewhere to park at a station is the only way they'll be able to use the system.
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#28
(06-06-2018, 07:00 PM)JoeKW Wrote: Not sure why you put an LRT line on Ira Needles. There won't be much expansion west of it (well, maybe with Doug Ford)... wouldn't it make more sense to put it on Fischer Hallman?

If the line is going to serve the west side, it seems wrong not to cover The Boardwalk.
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#29
(06-06-2018, 07:00 PM)JoeKW Wrote: Not sure why you put an LRT line on Ira Needles. There won't be much expansion west of it (well, maybe with Doug Ford)... wouldn't it make more sense to put it on Fischer Hallman?

In reality, right now the NDP has positioned itself as the party of sprawl in a subtle but more damaging way than Doug Ford had. Ford at least backed away from doing land swaps in the green belt. Horwath has continually spoken as much about the war on car as Doug (without calling it that), has positioned herself as the candidate who believes "more buses" are the solution to transit woes, rather than fixed high capacity routes.

But most problematic was her pitch to un-toll the provincially-owned section of the 407, as well as the 412 and 418. Doing this would put a far greater pressure on destroying the green belt and creating even more exurban commuting zones than any of Ford's proposals.

It's a stretch (but one I'm comfortable imagining) that with the aim of un-tolling highways, and of bringing private infrastructure under public control (regarding our electrical system), she might even consider trying to acquire the 407 and untoll it, and with that, truly become the party of sprawl.

I invite anyone who doubts the impact of creating highway capacity on our ability to hold off on development to take a look at the unprotected land area between the triangle of Cambridge, Waterloo, and Guelph, and watch as the new highway 7 turns farms into subdivisions.
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#30
(06-07-2018, 11:06 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: I invite anyone who doubts the impact of creating highway capacity on our ability to hold off on development to take a look at the unprotected land area between the triangle of Cambridge, Waterloo, and Guelph, and watch as the new highway 7 turns farms into subdivisions.

I too appreciate the pressure that tollways place on restricting sprawl, but at what point do we let the municipalities off the hook for permitting subdivisions to be built? Ultimately zoning is a local decision, not a Provincial one, no?
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