09-24-2019, 10:12 PM
(09-24-2019, 02:54 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(09-24-2019, 11:52 AM)Bob_McBob Wrote: This article sums things up reasonably well.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/...-1.2701387
I'm unclear what enforcement mechanism the city plans to use if someone refuses to produce identification, but from watching the council meeting it sounded like refusing would be a bylaw infraction with a separate fine in and of itself. I don't believe municipal enforcement officers should have the legal authority to compel people to produce identification on pain of fines, and I don't believe the city can legally grant itself that authority.
I finally read that.
It may surprise some to learn that I am not at all sure that a non-driving offence should have the possibility of causing a non-renewal of driving licence. Why should only drivers who are dumb enough to show their licence and/or give their real name to the officer have to pay a fine for violating a bylaw?
Also, what happens if somebody else gives my name, address, and birthdate, none of which are secret or even confidential, when they are stopped by an officer?
This is where it creates a mess: It wasn't me. It's easy to pick off names and birthdays off of FaceBitch, or even Instacrap, give a false name and birthday, and no one would know, as they cannot ask for photo ID. Officials would need some sort of video or photo evidence to prove who you are, and even if you give a fake name, how do they find you?