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(09-01-2016, 03:14 PM)BuildingScout Wrote: Gosh, under intense media pressure they can't deliver one train in time? Not good, not good at all. This means they are having major design problems with the vehicle and/or the production line. When are they going to come clean and tell us what the real problem is?
A design problem would likely be far, far greater than 3-4 weeks. At this level these are production issues, or potentially integration of different components. (I don't know how much of the component production is outsourced though.)
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Considering how the original test vehicle was due 2.5 years ago, it could be that "production issues" were actually a mask for "severe design flaws"
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(09-01-2016, 04:17 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: Considering how the original test vehicle was due 2.5 years ago, it could be that "production issues" were actually a mask for "severe design flaws"
There shouldn't be severe design flaws because the things have long since shipped in Europe, even under Bombardier ownership.
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(09-01-2016, 04:17 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: Considering how the original test vehicle was due 2.5 years ago, it could be that "production issues" were actually a mask for "severe design flaws"
Admittedly possible. But I do think the start of this project was pushed out by not a small amount by the TTC project delays.
Now for the TTC one, I would more readily accept a design issue as a likely cause. But Boeing's 787 program was also delayed three years, and it really wasn't design issues -- systems integration was the biggest culprit there.
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I don't even know where to begin with these comments!
Yes, FLEXITY Freedom is a derived variant of the FLEXITY 2 platform from Europe. So the designers over here had some stuff to work with - but they've never designed or built an LFLRV before. Thunder Bay has lots of experience with heavy rail and Millhaven had lots of experience with Monorail, ICTS and others. But it's a totally new thing for the North American design/build teams.
Then it has to meet Transport Canada and FRA regs and yadda yadda yadda. So that takes time. They could be using totally different CAD platforms. Which is awful to deal with. Thunder Bay is an older plant which definitely wasn't designed from day 1 (unlike the European plants) to build these things. Then there was the issues with the frame fabs from Mexico. Then management changed something like 8 times.
It's not simple - it's not like "oh they just suck" or "oh it's just a design issue". Someone should write a book or an article on why this project failed to deliver on time. None of us knows, and only a very few of us even have any insight into how custom manufacturing and design actually works in the real works (like me - sorry, but it's what I do all day).
Please read this: http://globalprojectstrategy.com/lessons/case.php?id=23
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(09-01-2016, 01:03 PM)KevinL Wrote: This sort of wall, they mean. It looks like concrete was cured within stacked-up sacks.
Quikrete Rip Rap is designed exactly to be used like that.
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http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/bombardier-m...-1.3054718
More news here; unless CTV has made a mistake, now only 2 of our trains will come from Thunder Bay, with the remaining 12 being built in Millhaven (outside of Kingston). The previous plan was 5/9.
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(09-01-2016, 08:07 PM)Canard Wrote: http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/bombardier-m...-1.3054718
More news here; unless CTV has made a mistake, now only 2 of our trains will come from Thunder Bay, with the remaining 12 being built in Millhaven (outside of Kingston). The previous plan was 5/9.
Monorail at 1:50 in the CTV video 
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Yes, and ICTS (ahem - "INNOVIA Metro 300")! My favourites!
From this video:
Phase II to Cambridge!
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(09-01-2016, 05:49 PM)Canard Wrote: Then it has to meet Transport Canada and FRA regs and yadda yadda yadda. So that takes time. They could be using totally different CAD platforms. Which is awful to deal with. Thunder Bay is an older plant which definitely wasn't designed from day 1 (unlike the European plants) to build these things. Then there was the issues with the frame fabs from Mexico. Then management changed something like 8 times.
Sounds a lot like the 787 problems!
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Point is: big projects can have big problems. And it's impossible for us to guess exactly what those problems are, from the outside with zero insight to the technical reasons as to why, so it's kind of pointless to speculate and reinforce each other's ideas. All it does is spin these self-reinforcing concepts which are not necessarily true or have any basis in how the real world of manufacturing actually works.
Ask me anything - I'd love nothing more than to get technical and share what I know and my experiences, if there's anything that crosses over between their industry and the one I'm a part of.
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Oops... This must be related to the crossing work I posted photos of last weekend. [i](See post 5/6.)[/b]
http://www.570news.com/2016/09/02/waterl...ay-signal/
When we lived at the Kaufman Lofts, our unit faced Victoria and sometimes the Waterloo St. Crossing would get triggered and run endlessly. For days. It was awful. I can sympathize totally.
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(09-02-2016, 06:23 AM)Canard Wrote: Oops... This must be related to the crossing work I posted photos of last weekend. [i](See post 5/6.)[/b]
http://www.570news.com/2016/09/02/waterl...ay-signal/
When we lived at the Kaufman Lofts, our unit faced Victoria and sometimes the Waterloo St. Crossing would get triggered and run endlessly. For days. It was awful. I can sympathize totally.
Waterloo St. crossing? I can't think of a train crossing in that area.
This type of thing happens not infrequently at railway crossings. There's one 50 meters from my house that gets stuck on probably once a year. It just goes indefinitely. It creates a traffic issue, it doesn't have arms, so cars can (and legally can) cross after treating it like a stop sign, but many drivers don't know this and wait a while before going. And I have to call the railway and get them to come fix it. I'm not sure if the family could have done so here, certainly the railway is not a prompt responder, and there's also the issue of figuring out what number to call.
The noise is a bit annoying, but I really can't hear it from my house with the front windows closed.
As an aside, I really hate it when people describe themselves as "taxpayers". First, "citizen" or "resident" or "person" conveys exactly the same entitlements. And, while I don't know that, and don't want to ascribe this position to this particular person, many people do use the term "taxpayer" to imply they're more entitled to some right/voice in government/whatever, than those who "don't" pay taxes, like students, renters, whatever.
As another aside, you want an annoying noise, the accessibility features of the pedestrian signal on Glasgow is on continuously, I can't believe people who live there haven't complained.
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(09-01-2016, 12:38 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: As an aside, I really hate it when people describe themselves as "taxpayers". First, "citizen" or "resident" or "person" conveys exactly the same entitlements. And, while I don't know that, and don't want to ascribe this position to this particular person, many people do use the term "taxpayer" to imply they're more entitled to some right/voice in government/whatever, than those who "don't" pay taxes, like students, renters, whatever.
I had the same reaction. I think Sam let all of the ads last federal election get to his head. "Hardworking taxpayers with young children at home," please.
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(09-02-2016, 07:12 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: Waterloo St. crossing? I can't think of a train crossing in that area.
This one here.
https://goo.gl/maps/gAMAXgTe62m
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